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re: LSU lands Kentucky PF Daimion Collins
Posted on 5/28/23 at 11:44 am to ButchJonesFB
Posted on 5/28/23 at 11:44 am to ButchJonesFB
This could turn out to be the best player on the team if the strength coaches can work some magic. The guy has game. He just needs a new start and some guidance with his growth.
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Posted on 5/28/23 at 12:53 pm to Alt26
I know, it's way too early to hope but yet I do. Seems like a pretty good bunch of transfers and that we will have much more talent. However, McMahon still has to find the right combinations and chemistry to make it all work. I was worried about our short guards but now we can put 6'10, 6'9", and 7'00" under the goal and play in and out until the cows come home. It seems between them we should also get some rim protection and at long last some guys that can finish with a dunk.
It is interesting that all of these transfers except for one, either come from Louisiana or in one case a small town in Texas close to the border. If the only thing McMahon has going for him in the recruiting game is playing at home, then he should really get on top of any in state talent.
It is interesting that all of these transfers except for one, either come from Louisiana or in one case a small town in Texas close to the border. If the only thing McMahon has going for him in the recruiting game is playing at home, then he should really get on top of any in state talent.
Posted on 5/28/23 at 5:23 pm to Tom Bronco
Outside of the backcourt LSU has some NBA-type bodies (Reed, Ward, Collins, Baker). The backcourt is small, but has two proven scorers in Cook and Stewart.
LSU wasn’t “young” last year, but they will be much “older” this season with 11 of 13 player having at least 2 years of significant D-1 experience, with the majority of those having 3 or more.
Will that produce results? That’s up to McMahon and his staff. The one certainty is that he won’t get the benefit of the doubt going into this season and LSU will be projected to be a bottom 1/3 or 1/4 SEC team.
Fair or not, this is a pivotal year for McMahon. If he can’t produce results (I.e at least in the hunt for a NCAAT bid) this season you can reasonably start to think it isn’t ever going to happen here for him.
LSU wasn’t “young” last year, but they will be much “older” this season with 11 of 13 player having at least 2 years of significant D-1 experience, with the majority of those having 3 or more.
Will that produce results? That’s up to McMahon and his staff. The one certainty is that he won’t get the benefit of the doubt going into this season and LSU will be projected to be a bottom 1/3 or 1/4 SEC team.
Fair or not, this is a pivotal year for McMahon. If he can’t produce results (I.e at least in the hunt for a NCAAT bid) this season you can reasonably start to think it isn’t ever going to happen here for him.
Posted on 5/28/23 at 6:14 pm to Alt26
quote:Dear god. You do realize that in order to achieve this LSU has to be in the top 40 teams in the country, right? If you really believe that you must think that most of the other major conference teams aren't even trying.
If he can’t produce results (I.e at least in the hunt for a NCAAT bid) this season
But the truth is that LSU appears to have made some decent upgrades in balance and talent to get closer to that goal.
Posted on 5/28/23 at 6:20 pm to mmcgrath
Being in the hunt doesn't mean being a lock for the NCAAT. I think most people expect to be in the conversation for a spot and a sure lock in the NIT next year. If we don't get at least that then what are we doing here
Posted on 5/28/23 at 7:56 pm to Aforem7
quote:With all the automatic bids, you have to be at least ranked 45th in the country to make it out of the SEC to "be in the hunt" for an NCAA bid. Not sure about the numbers for the NIT, but I would guess you would have to be top 60 to be a "lock".
Being in the hunt doesn't mean being a lock for the NCAAT. I think most people expect to be in the conversation for a spot and a sure lock in the NIT next year. If we don't get at least that then what are we doing here
quote:We are completely rebuilding a program while awaiting the decision on sanctions.
If we don't get at least that then what are we doing here
This post was edited on 5/28/23 at 7:57 pm
Posted on 5/28/23 at 8:31 pm to mmcgrath
You are quite possibly the only person who doesn’t understand that the transfer rules have completely changed the rebuilding process and timeline. Programs can literally go from awful one season to the NCAA Tournament the next. It also means that sustaining success is different too because coaches are often having to turnover 50% or more of their rosters each season.
College basketball is now a year-to-year game. Gone are the days of signing a class and continuing to build upon it year after year. Hell, LSU has already lost half of McMahon’s first HS signing class after one season. And it’s not unfathomable to think the entire class could be gone after just two seasons…even if LSU has a really good year. That is simply the nature of the game now.
To say it is unreasonable to have a goal that LSU should be competing for a tournament spot next season is to have a losing mentality. Why? Because LSU is likely going to have to significantly turn over their roster again after this season. So whatever “development” you have this year won’t fully manifest next year because many of those guys won’t be here. Thus, the excuse machine will have to start all over again. Only this time there may not be several solid Baton Rouge natives elsewhere who want to come home to join a program that doesn’t look like it can compete.
Is it unfair to expect a HC to compete right away? Maybe. But that is college basketball today. It’s NEVER been easier to quickly rebuild. But it also means the expected timeline for that rebuild has NEVER been shorter.
College basketball is now a year-to-year game. Gone are the days of signing a class and continuing to build upon it year after year. Hell, LSU has already lost half of McMahon’s first HS signing class after one season. And it’s not unfathomable to think the entire class could be gone after just two seasons…even if LSU has a really good year. That is simply the nature of the game now.
To say it is unreasonable to have a goal that LSU should be competing for a tournament spot next season is to have a losing mentality. Why? Because LSU is likely going to have to significantly turn over their roster again after this season. So whatever “development” you have this year won’t fully manifest next year because many of those guys won’t be here. Thus, the excuse machine will have to start all over again. Only this time there may not be several solid Baton Rouge natives elsewhere who want to come home to join a program that doesn’t look like it can compete.
Is it unfair to expect a HC to compete right away? Maybe. But that is college basketball today. It’s NEVER been easier to quickly rebuild. But it also means the expected timeline for that rebuild has NEVER been shorter.
Posted on 5/28/23 at 10:52 pm to rickyh
Posted on 5/29/23 at 7:54 am to Alt26
quote:Yet with all of your knowledge you can't come up with a handful of programs who have done this in any given year, and less so facing sanctions.
You are quite possibly the only person who doesn’t understand that the transfer rules have completely changed the rebuilding process and timeline. Programs can literally go from awful one season to the NCAA Tournament the next.
Just because you say something doesn't make it true. The tightening of transfer rules will limit the portal as a cure all by next year at the latest. Even as it is now, it is a shoot the moon type of strategy.
Posted on 5/29/23 at 9:02 am to mmcgrath
The transfer rules have only been in place for two years. Yet, it those years you’ve seen teams like Iowa St, Missouri, K-State make drastic improvements in one season. And no one, myself included, is even demanding THAT level of drastic improvement. Just not a regression to one of the worst power conference teams in America.
10 SEC teams reached the postseason last year. 3 had first year HCs. So to suggest it’s unreasonable to expect LSU to compete for a tournament spot is ridiculous. But hey, those draconian sanctions are hanging over LSU’s head. Otherwise, we all know a top 5 recruiting class is just desperate to sign with LSU.
The reality is LSU will get the sanctions soon. They won’t be ANYTHING CLOSE to severe. Then what?? McMahon is likely to have sign 6-7 new players once more for next season. That’s not a knock on him. Just the reality of college basketball. Is the approach just to wait things out until he hopefully falls arse backwards into a decent team one season?
As a coach you now get one year to develop a team. That’s it. Then you have to develop a significantly different team the next year. Then the year after that. McMahon has to prove he can do that. What he did at Murray St was in a different era of basketball.
In deference to him, however, it looks like he may have a decent roster for next season. Not SEC Championship good. But some proven players mixed with some pro bodies. But he has to maximize that roster THIS SEASON. Because he’s not going to have the bulk of that roster next season. He won’t have 2-3 years to develop it. So if after two year he has shown he can’t compete in the flip-and-fly era of basketball what is the point of keeping him around? In todays game you have to have a guy who can win then reload immediately. I don’t love that has become the nature of the game but it has. Accept it or move on
10 SEC teams reached the postseason last year. 3 had first year HCs. So to suggest it’s unreasonable to expect LSU to compete for a tournament spot is ridiculous. But hey, those draconian sanctions are hanging over LSU’s head. Otherwise, we all know a top 5 recruiting class is just desperate to sign with LSU.
The reality is LSU will get the sanctions soon. They won’t be ANYTHING CLOSE to severe. Then what?? McMahon is likely to have sign 6-7 new players once more for next season. That’s not a knock on him. Just the reality of college basketball. Is the approach just to wait things out until he hopefully falls arse backwards into a decent team one season?
As a coach you now get one year to develop a team. That’s it. Then you have to develop a significantly different team the next year. Then the year after that. McMahon has to prove he can do that. What he did at Murray St was in a different era of basketball.
In deference to him, however, it looks like he may have a decent roster for next season. Not SEC Championship good. But some proven players mixed with some pro bodies. But he has to maximize that roster THIS SEASON. Because he’s not going to have the bulk of that roster next season. He won’t have 2-3 years to develop it. So if after two year he has shown he can’t compete in the flip-and-fly era of basketball what is the point of keeping him around? In todays game you have to have a guy who can win then reload immediately. I don’t love that has become the nature of the game but it has. Accept it or move on
Posted on 5/29/23 at 11:01 am to Alt26
Alt, you are completely correct on the state of how college basketball programs are run year to year now.
One thing I am positive of is: if Will Wade had never before in his life stepped foot in the state of Louisiana, and took over what McMahon took over last year, we'd have been AT LEAST .500 in the league, and playing in the NIT. And he may have done better than that.
And the mouth breathers can spare me the "we're in this situation because of Wade!!!!" ignorant comments.
I believe you've pointed out (maybe another poster did) that Wade was caught in a one in a million FBI wire tap investigation that could have LITERALLY happened to any of the top 100 college basketball coaches. He had the bad luck of being caught sounding the worst, and here we are.
I still KNOW we could've told the NCAA to take a hike if we had the balls and/or inclination to do so. Other programs with the same or less "juice" have done just that to the HYPOCRITICAL NCAA, with minimal, or zero repercussions.
LSU has the potential (we are CLEARLY the second best program in SEC history) to make the tournament 19 out of 20 seasons, with the right guy at the helm, and the commitment. It bothers me that the program doesn't perform as it should. There's no reason we can't be a Baylor type program.
One thing I am positive of is: if Will Wade had never before in his life stepped foot in the state of Louisiana, and took over what McMahon took over last year, we'd have been AT LEAST .500 in the league, and playing in the NIT. And he may have done better than that.
And the mouth breathers can spare me the "we're in this situation because of Wade!!!!" ignorant comments.
I believe you've pointed out (maybe another poster did) that Wade was caught in a one in a million FBI wire tap investigation that could have LITERALLY happened to any of the top 100 college basketball coaches. He had the bad luck of being caught sounding the worst, and here we are.
I still KNOW we could've told the NCAA to take a hike if we had the balls and/or inclination to do so. Other programs with the same or less "juice" have done just that to the HYPOCRITICAL NCAA, with minimal, or zero repercussions.
LSU has the potential (we are CLEARLY the second best program in SEC history) to make the tournament 19 out of 20 seasons, with the right guy at the helm, and the commitment. It bothers me that the program doesn't perform as it should. There's no reason we can't be a Baylor type program.
Posted on 5/29/23 at 11:06 am to Alt26
quote:I don't believe they will be. The threat of sanctions will wind up being more damaging to recruiting than the actual sanctions I hope.
The reality is LSU will get the sanctions soon. They won’t be ANYTHING CLOSE to severe.
quote:Then we begin to see what type of recruiting we can do. The 2024 class is damaged, but if we have a hat on the table for a top 10 recruit the staff has to be doing work.
Then what??
quote:We will probably have 6 spots open. The difference is that we are probably looking to get 4-5 out of hs Then be selective with the portal after the season.
In deference to him, however, it looks like he may have a decent roster for next season. Not SEC Championship good. But some proven players mixed with some pro bodies. But he has to maximize that roster THIS SEASON. Because he’s not going to have the bulk of that roster next season. He won’t have 2-3 years to develop it.
quote:Here is where we will disagree on what showing he can compete means. I expect the team will be better overall from last year. We will return some promising players and will have a solid (not great) hs class incoming for next year, and get a couple of stud transfers. That is competing.
So if after two year he has shown he can’t compete in the flip-and-fly era of basketball what is the point of keeping him around?
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