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Posted on 8/19/23 at 6:44 pm to
Posted by Keaux10
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Posted on 8/19/23 at 6:44 pm to
It’s ok, we will always get the last laugh!! Because we are LSU
Posted by LSUDad
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Posted on 8/19/23 at 6:51 pm to
I like somewhat of what you are saying, I trust Joe, Kelly and Brad Davis more than the paid scouts.
You don’t have to look any further than what is done on the field. Every see the kid dominating players on the other side of the ball. The kids junior year, he gives the verbal.

Mack Brown had much of his recruiting done early.

I remember Va. Tech. Frank Beamer signing a bunch of TE’s only to turn them into OL. Did this for years.

I’ve looked at every place Kelly has been, his building of a roster, his development of position players. The players he’s sent into the NFL.
Posted by VerbalKint
Member since Jun 2017
3690 posts
Posted on 8/19/23 at 6:52 pm to
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Wickline sees film on a 5 star recruit. He visits this recruit and then begins to grind him to see how he'll react. The fans are all in a flutter. We all hear that Texas is interested in a 5 star! Wickline's questions and attitude turn this player off somewhat. He is used to coaches coming in and fawning over him. What's with this Wickline dude, anyway? Joe rubs the kid the wrong way. Arms are crossed across the chest. The kids begins to stare out the window while Joe is talking. Later on that day he verbally commits to another school. The fans are gnashing their teeth and cutting their wrists. Reporters are shaking their heads and rattling their keypads. Meanwhile Joe heads out to a small school in the middle of nowhere where his old friend coaches, to see an unknown kid that the friend sent Joe film of. Lots of things Wickline saw on the film jumped out for him. The feet, the quickness, the violet punch, the balance, the relentlessness ..the mean streak. Joe sees his old friend at the corner of the football field. He is dwarfed by a raw boned rangy kid with a huge head, tree trunk neck, wide shoulders, and feet the size of kayaks. Wickline smiles and put out his hand. As they shake hands, Wickline notices that the player's hands are far larger than his own catcher's mitts. Joe says something nice about the kid's film. The kid nods. and then Joe says something derogatory. He looks up quickly. The kid has reacted by ripping his hand away from Joe's grip, and now the kid has a menacing look about him, staring darts into Joe's eyes. The kid has just taken a step closer to Joe, and is noticeably angry. Joe laughs and begins to calm this volcano down, and then begins establish a warm and friendly relationship with this kid; he's worth his weight in gold. By the end of the day Joe has seen enough. He is now addressing this kid as "Son", and sees that the kid responds. He offers this kid. He has a low 3 star rating with only one offer from a small college down the road. Reports come out. Fans leap from bridges. Reporters might bother with a paragraph of basic facts; nothing more.. while Joe Wickline drives to yet another backwoods empty space on the map. Joe has a wide grin on his massive "hit with a shovel" face. He is singing an old song from Ray Price he remembers from long ago. Life has never been better. He reaches for the phone to tell Charlie the good news. "Crazy Arms. that reach for somebody new"


Man I almost got sucked into reading this wall of text
Posted by LSUDad
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Posted on 8/19/23 at 6:59 pm to
LSU has secured commitments from eight of the state’s Top 10 prospects. While at the same time, getting commitments from the top players in the state of Tx, Tenn, NC, Ga and Fla.

Still a ways to go, but you have to like the direction.
Posted by LSUDad
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Posted on 8/19/23 at 7:51 pm to
On page 217 of Lindy’s College Football Magazine. Texas transfer DE Ovie Oghoufo was asked why he transferred to LSU. His reply:

“I wanted to go somewhere that had an opportunity to win the National Championship, and I felt like Coach (Brian) Kelly was on the verge of that here.”

I guess since he’s been in both programs, he knows who has the better program.
Posted by lsufanva
sandston virginia
Member since Aug 2009
13109 posts
Posted on 8/20/23 at 2:45 am to
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LSUDad

LSU has secured commitments from eight of the state’s Top 10 prospects. While at the same time, getting commitments from the top players in the state of Tx, Tenn, NC, Ga and Fla.




This is conjecture. 8 of 10 instate in a down year and the 2 are #'s 1 & 2. Unimpressive.
TX-nope
TN-service dependent
NC-only 1 site is this true and they are way high compared to others
GA-nope
FL-nope

There are reasons to feel good about the direction of the program. This particular recruiting class as a whole isn't one of them. Parts of it are.
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
Ponchatoula
Member since Aug 2004
47601 posts
Posted on 8/20/23 at 8:30 am to
You don’t think that other schools get played by recruits who in their mind know they are going to LSU? This cuts both ways and has been going on forever, it’s just in the open now.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
285026 posts
Posted on 8/20/23 at 8:35 am to
LSU recruits with intent & purpose, not with emotion(you).
Posted by LSU1215
Monroe
Member since Aug 2009
4259 posts
Posted on 8/20/23 at 9:04 am to
Lawd! We need some football to start some people think we should get everyone we offer. Lol No team gets everyone they offer. These people got to much time on they hand. Lol
Posted by LSUDad
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Posted on 8/20/23 at 9:31 am to
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This is conjecture. 8 of 10 instate in a down year and the 2 are #'s 1 & 2. Unimpressive. TX-nope TN-service dependent NC-only 1 site is this true and they are way high compared to others GA-nope FL-


Should I explain it for you again? Down year? Who calls this a down year? You? I’ve gone back and reranked players from past classes. I’ve looked at 5* players over the last 4-5 years. The majority were fails. I’ve looked at players rated low, 3*, showing how recruiting services have missed on their rankings.
I’ve explained, as to trusting Kelly and staff of their player evaluation and player development. I venture to say, I’ve been asked to scout players for colleges before. So more times than not, I trust my opinion over some of the paid scouts.
I’ve said before, you worry about the ones you get, forget the ones you miss. It’s better that way.

All too often folks follow the stars and rankings, only to find out a few years later, on the real hits and misses.

You sound very negative on everything, that’s not a good position to be in going through life. I usually sit back and watch as to how a team and recruiting class finishes.

LSU lost the first game last year, an lost to aTm, but finished with 10 wins, won the West, played in a major bowl winning that. How far did we go from less than 40 scholarships and a WR playing QB? I’d call that a remarkable year. How many Coaches and Staff could have done that?

I talk with college coaches all the time, I say they are one of the tighter fraternities around. One day they are recruiting against another coach, the next year, you are on the staff with that same coach. That’s why they say, never burn bridges, you may end up there. Also some coaches, know who they have a shot at, they better, it’s their job.

I’ve been around this a lot longer than most. Kind of know a little.

Enjoy your day!
This post was edited on 8/22/23 at 10:57 am
Posted by WhoDatNC
NC
Member since Dec 2013
13463 posts
Posted on 8/20/23 at 9:33 am to
Every school gets played. Stop being so soft.
Posted by ZenFNmaster
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2007
2802 posts
Posted on 8/20/23 at 1:14 pm to
I wish more of us had your patience, understanding and most of all, wisdom.

Yall should listen to LSUDad. He brings objective truth to this board.
Posted by lsufanva
sandston virginia
Member since Aug 2009
13109 posts
Posted on 8/20/23 at 2:48 pm to
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Should I explain it for you again? Down year? Who calls this a down year? You


The consensus. Let's not be foolish

quote:

I’ve gone back and reranked players from past classes. I’ve looked at 5* players over the last 4-5 years. The majority were fails. I’ve looked at players rated low, 3*, showing how recruiting services have missed on their rankings


I've read your opinions and they are some of the most valuable here imo. You'll never get an argument from me about the ineptitude and sham that recruiting rankings are. Preaching to the choir. For me, the rankings are a twofold tool.
One, they give an overview of the consensus opinion, which is useful though definitely not exact. A piece of the puzzle.
Two, a very useful tool in highlighting hypocrisy whether with the "experts" themselves, opposing fans or, to my particular fancy lately, LSU fans. The rankings matter when we are perceived to lead, don't when we miss. If we had UGAs class they'd be the end all be all. We have ours and we preach "alignment, scouting and development".
When everyone believes their particular opinion is correct or cant decide which version to go with, which do you seek? The consensus. Back to use #1

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LSU lost the first game last year, an lost to aTm, but finished with 10 wins, won the West, played in a major bowl winning that. How far did we go form less than 40 scholarships and a WR playing QB? I’d call that a remarkable year. How many Coaches and Staff could have done that?


I've never questioned the "remarkability" of last season. I only question how a program so many here claim to be elite got itself into that position. That is a question worth pondering don't you think?

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I talk with college coaches all the time, I say they are one of the tighter fraternities around. One day they are recruiting against another coach, the next year, you are on the staff with that same coach. That’s way they say, never burn bridges, you may end up there. Also some coaches, know who they have a shot at, they better, it’s their job.

I’ve been around this a lot longer than most. Kind of know a little.

Enjoy your day


How many slaps on the back do you want me to give you? I value your opinions due to your experience.
I'm sure the coaching fraternity is very close knit and loving. That tight knit, loving community cut each other throats on a whim. They're mercenaries for the current employer of choice. Cut from the same cloth. Who doesn't love themselves? Personality bleeds into profession. Knowing that, are those types of individuals ones you would generally trust sending your children off with? Been around a little while myself.


I will and hope you do the same.
Posted by lsufanva
sandston virginia
Member since Aug 2009
13109 posts
Posted on 8/20/23 at 3:31 pm to
quote:

You sound very negative on everything, that’s not a good position to be in going through life. I usually sit back and watch as to how a team and recruiting class finishes.



I appreciate your advice. However, you say in this post you are a coach and scout by trade. I value your opinions in those regards. My mental health isn't your concern or area of expertise. Ed Orgeron is of the same ilk yet we don't go around asking his advice on mental health. And we are discussing my mental eptitude.

But while doing so ill explain, my "negative" tone is purely conversation driven. I enjoy this place and the conversations that it has the potential to have(and used to). We've always had posi and nega Tigers. Never has it been so one-sided that the negas were essentially told their opinion isn't welcome(generally not individually). Even moreso than a Texas fan(who's been civil) despite current events. What in the Lester Earl is that all about?(no knock just an example of one that has been on both sides over the years)
Maybe the negative examples the country has shown in that regard has bled into my being but things certainly seem familiar. You know the saying, "opinions are like assholes". Everyone has one and they all stink to somebody. We still welcomed them.
If I post an opinion(it is just mine) and it's not to your liking, pass it up. Or, if you choose, respond to mine with one of your own. I don't care which. I move on until the next post I see that catches my eye. Just know, no matter how.much you dissent from mine or how much mine is unwanted, it's my right to give it. I will continue doing so and generally make points that are clear, irrefutable(when facts are presented) and not based in LSU bias, just personal(everyone is guilty). I'm an LSU fan that isn't blinded from our faults. Faults are by definition negative. My question to you, are any of us without faults? Then why do so many act is if they don't have them and that our football staff doesn't? Failure to see our faults is far more negative than having them called out. Talking into an echo chamber is always a loss over time(post 19 has learned us nothing). History has shown as much. Its the blind leading the deaf. Those that can't see it leading those that refuse to believe it.
Posted by LSUDad
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Posted on 8/20/23 at 4:10 pm to
The consensus? A bunch of paid scouts that watch 15 minutes of film, grading a kid 1,500 miles away.


If we had UGA’s class? UGA has been far from a model program. Some talk about the loss last season, as a blowout. But seem to forget the previous games of 18 and 19. In 2018 ranked #2 in the Nation, they left Tiger Stadium with a 20 point loss, the same 20 points that we lost to them in the SEC Championship Game. Then in 2019, a 27 point win, only wondering why we took our foot off the gas.
In the 2000’s only one team has won and played in more National Championships, than LSU. We did it with the last three coaches, what are the odds we go back to the National Championship and win? Two of those coaches couldn’t have won a National Championship anywhere else but LSU.


As for coaches, just like policemen, people everyday, people on this board, good and bad in all walks of life. I’ve been very fortunate to know some of the better in the profession of coaching. Who would I trust my family with, I can name a number, an we have spent a lot of time together. Many I’ve been in contact with since the 70’s. Many have had a number of jobs all over the south. One of my best friends has played and coached at 4 SEC schools, some getting on into retirement. Some still love what they do. A few, their sons are in the profession.
I say those in the profession are a different type, to be working a place, a head coach gets fired, you’re out. The wife and kids have to move, change schools, jobs, make new friends, guess that’s why they are that tight knit group.

Once again, enjoy your day.

This post was edited on 8/22/23 at 11:00 am
Posted by LSUDad
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Posted on 8/20/23 at 4:28 pm to
quote:

you say in this post you are a coach and scout by trade.


I never said I was a coach or scout. I’ve been asked to scout players over the years. I’ve often recommended players to a coach and school. Coaches may get an interest from a player in a city I may be close to. I’ve made games all over the South. Saw Rohan Davey play in a High School All-Star game, in Atlanta, before coming to LSU. Watch Russell Shepard play in a Spring Game before his Sr year of high school.

I enjoy what I do. Been doing this for years.
Posted by Tiger Tracker
Austin,TX
Member since Nov 2015
7266 posts
Posted on 8/20/23 at 4:28 pm to
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I only question how a program so many here claim to be elite got itself into that position. That is a question worth pondering don't you think?


Really??? You haven't figured out that O and other complacent staff members he hired or kept got us here? I mean what's there to ponder about this? It's not on the current staff. They're trying to pick up the pieces and re establish relationships with coaches while simultaneously making inroads with new ones.

A program can still be elite but steered into a storm if the staff isn't managing it properly. That was the case with O and his staff. I see none of that with Kelly and his staff. Hes already made coaching changes when needed, like he did with Polian. Our recruiting under Kelly has filled in major gaps in our roster and brought in some high end talent in those areas and others as well, regardless of your "assessment" that we're missing all our top targets.

Eta: that isn't to say that there aren't areas we can improve upon in recruiting, but you keep posting about how you're so objective and balanced but the reality is the majority of your posts on here as of late are overtly negative towards lsu recruiting without posting very few if any positive factors. You don't portray yourself as objective on here no matter how much you keep saying you are.
This post was edited on 8/20/23 at 4:54 pm
Posted by TheTruthPolice
Mandeville
Member since Aug 2010
944 posts
Posted on 8/20/23 at 5:18 pm to
Who do think always gets the last laugh? If they are good enough and can start at LSU in a year or two then they will transfer. I mean LSU on a down year last year accomplished more than A&M has done in the past 60 years. When do you think A&M will win a west tittle? When will A&M win one national championship? Much less 3 in 20 years? Probably not in my life time or in the next 300 years. So who is being played spending money and getting cucked in the process? Then doing a cool yell cheer on Fridays nights to top it off with?
Posted by brettamedee
Locust Grove, Georgia
Member since Jul 2013
175 posts
Posted on 8/20/23 at 7:51 pm to
Blake Ivey was always an A&M projection - - LSU got in late on this kid.
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