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re: LSU Basketball Recruiting Thread - OLD THREAD PLEASE STICKY NEW ONE
Posted on 1/30/20 at 9:43 am to thunderbird1100
Posted on 1/30/20 at 9:43 am to thunderbird1100
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Right now Smart and Days will be back, Watford if hes not a 1st rounder.
Williams is gone, he had a kid and wants to make money now.
Yeah, I think Williams is gone and I wouldn't blame Watford for leaving regardless.
Smart is the only one that I think would be making a mistake by leaving. I think with his size he has the potential to move up significantly if he's able to develop a consistent 3pt shot and cut down on turnovers. I can't imagine the NBA having much interest in him given how poorly his 3pt % has been this season. And it's really strange to see him shoot so poorly given his free throw shooting.
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Posted on 1/30/20 at 9:50 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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He needs to do what he can to maximize his earnings long-term. If that is to leave this year, then fine. If that is to stay, then fine.
Well leaving after this year is almost certainly the answer then.
He needs to improve his handle and develop his outside shooting. He might as well get paid to do it while not having to take classes.
Posted on 1/30/20 at 10:02 am to southdowns84
People who don't understand NBA and G league salary structure, draft evaluations, international professional opportunities, the individual wants and needs of each player, and countless other factors will continue to opine on what is best for the player. This is why most posters including me should not comment on what an individual player should do concerning leaving college early.
Posted on 1/30/20 at 10:08 am to ForeverLSU5
Updated projected roster and projected commits, with the way Emmitt has been playing I think he leaves and Smart is still 50/50. I believe Days will stay another year however. Will add prospects later on today/tomorrow
Posted on 1/30/20 at 10:23 am to southdowns84
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If that is to leave this year, then fine. If that is to stay, then fine.
I think I covered all the bases. My point was not to judge whether he was ready or not.
My point was that immediate monetary needs are not a good reason, if that sacrifices long term earning power.
If now is the best time for him to leave, then more power to him. I've just seen too many players leave early with major regrets.
Posted on 1/30/20 at 11:08 am to Bjorn Cyborg
Any word on Shareef?
Posted on 1/30/20 at 11:43 am to Mystictiger
Cook being our only PG signed and not having another in the fold tells me that Wade feels comfortable about Smart coming back.
I think if Wade felt like he was going to bolt for the NBA, he would have another PG in the works.
I think if Wade felt like he was going to bolt for the NBA, he would have another PG in the works.
Posted on 1/30/20 at 11:53 am to GeauxTime9
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Cook being our only PG signed and not having another in the fold tells me that Wade feels comfortable about Smart coming back.
Wade said we're looking for another PG in the class potentially. I agree we need one, Cook, Bishop and Smart are all more combo guards, or scoring PGs if you will. None of those guys are going to be like 6-7 assist a game types.
We need a true ball handler/assist man to come in, obviously unlikely to land another Tremont, but I bet we look into transfer market there.
This post was edited on 1/30/20 at 11:54 am
Posted on 1/30/20 at 12:01 pm to thunderbird1100
Bishop was hyper efficient (led UAA if I recall) and that translates but often takes a year or two. Couple with battling injuries and having a 35 MPG G and another potential pro G in front of you and it means ups and downs. I expect Bishop to stay (doubt he'd be processed so up to him) and be a contributor. I do not see Cooper going either. High block rate, late bloomer means he could be a valuable piece down the road.
Posted on 1/30/20 at 12:14 pm to Coach D
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I do not see Cooper going either. High block rate, late bloomer means he could be a valuable piece down the road.
I just disagree here, maybe he stays, but the guy is 3 years into college now and is a zero contributor basically, we only put him out there in emergency minutes due to injury/fouls or in total blowouts. I'm willing to excuse last year as 1st year here coming out of JUCO, but in his 2nd year here, 3rd in college? Maybe if he was only a freshman/sophomore, but 3 years in if you're not contributing at all you never will. He's just more a mid-major type and could do a lot better IMO on a team like a Texas Southern where we seem to send a few guys for Johnny
Just think of how much we COULD upgrade that spot, why just continue to wait on Cooper maybe come around as a 4-5 minute a game guy when he's a senior or something?
This post was edited on 1/30/20 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 1/30/20 at 12:18 pm to Coach D
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do not see Cooper going either. High block rate, late bloomer means he could be a valuable piece down the road.
100% disagree. This is his 3rd year playing college ball, that is more than enough time to develop into a player that can give you minutes. He isn’t an SEC caliber player, that’s why you haven’t seen him get any minutes. If he stays on the team, he will get beat out by better players.
Posted on 1/30/20 at 12:20 pm to thunderbird1100
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Just think of how much we COULD upgrade that spot, why just continue to wait on Cooper maybe come around as a 4-5 minute a game guy when he's a senior or something?
He’s won’t be back next year, book it. Wade doesn’t play around, if he doesn’t think you can contribute, he is going to find someone that can.
Posted on 1/30/20 at 12:22 pm to GeauxTime9
I haven’t seen much on Cook, I thought he was suppose to be more of a distributor? I didn’t realize he was a score first PG. Also, I think Bishop has the ability to be a true PG. I’m hoping he steps up and takes over the point and that allows Smart to play off the ball.
Posted on 1/30/20 at 12:28 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:vast majority of USA is a right now culture. Think we’d have so much consumer debt if we just “waited a year”? He gone.
My point was that immediate monetary needs are not a good reason, if that sacrifices long term earning power.
Posted on 1/30/20 at 12:31 pm to GeauxTime9
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I haven’t seen much on Cook, I thought he was suppose to be more of a distributor? I didn’t realize he was a score first PG. Also, I think Bishop has the ability to be a true PG. I’m hoping he steps up and takes over the point and that allows Smart to play off the ball.
Cook is definitely not a distributing PG. He's a scoring ball handler. He averaging about 30 points a game this season, has had 2 50+ point games and 4 40+ point games this season. Last year he averaged about the same, and like 4.7 assists per game. Article on Cook this season
This is why Wade said recently they're still looking at a PG option in the class.
Bishop isn't a true PG either, very much a scoring ball handler as well. He averaged 23 points and 3.3 assists a game in high school as a senior.
Its not a knock on either, it's just not who they are. They will be 3-4 assist a game types with probably 2-3 turnovers similar to Mays or Smart in college. Both are good scorers though. When you look for true distributor PGs, you look for guys with very high assist numbers in high school to translate to college.
Ashton Hagans had like over 10 assist per game in high school and this year has 7.3 a game at Kentucky. You're never going to see guys like Smart, Mays, Bishop or Cook average 7+ assists a game in college.
This post was edited on 1/30/20 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 1/30/20 at 12:41 pm to thunderbird1100
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I'm willing to excuse last year as 1st year here coming out of JUCO
What is there to excuse? He was signed with the plan of redshirting from day one. He redshirted. It's not like he was ready and just couldn't get on the court.
He certainly could leave for playing time, I just don't think he will be processed.
Posted on 1/30/20 at 12:45 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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What is there to excuse? He was signed with the plan of redshirting from day one. He redshirted. It's not like he was ready and just couldn't get on the court.
Again, giving him a mulligan for not doing anything last year being 1st year here, all I was saying. Never said the plan WASN'T to redshirt him. The reality is it's his 2nd year here, 3rd year in college, and he literally cant get on the court. There's been zero reports of any injuries or things nagging or anything like that too. I just dont know what anyone sees in him at this point. He's a mid-major player. Wade has some reaches each class, he was a reach that class, just hasn't worked out, why not try and replace that spot with someone who could contribute?
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He certainly could leave for playing time, I just don't think he will be processed.
Again what are we keeping him around for then? Just dont get it, he cant play on this level. We've seen a handful of guys leave here in similar situations whether they wanted to or were encouraged to.
This post was edited on 1/30/20 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 1/30/20 at 12:50 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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I think I covered all the bases. My point was not to judge whether he was ready or not.
I wasn't trying to be confrontational. I think you made an excellent point about his child. I was just giving my opinion on what I believe is best for him within the context of maximizing his earnings potential professionally.
If he wants to play pro basketball, it's probably easier to improve his weaknesses next year playing with an organization that has an incentive for him to develop his dribbling, perimeter defense, and outside shot rather than coming back to LSU where, in addition to taking classes, we're going to want him to fill the exact same role for us that he has this season.
ETA: This is in contrast with Smart, who's very much a guy LSU will be working with to improve the exact same weaknesses keeping him from being a highly coveted pro prospect.
LSU benefits greatly if Smart comes back and improves as a primary ball handler and outside shooter. I doubt Wade has much interest on Williams coming back to spend time out on the perimeter.
This post was edited on 1/30/20 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 1/30/20 at 1:22 pm to thunderbird1100
Basketball IQ just isn't there with Cooper, and I dont think hes focused enough getting there. Real nice guy but I think the only chance we see him on the team next year is if we wouldnt be able to fill out the roster wihtout him
Posted on 1/30/20 at 2:06 pm to thunderbird1100
TBird, I think we are going to close out the same way recruiting wise with Watford coming back. If we do I think tNext year will be LSU's deepest team and possible best team in a while. Throwing together possible starting Unit is tough. I think Smart and Watford would be your only locks. I think the next eight would be
Days
Manning
Hyatt
Leblanc
Thomas
Cook (bets out Bishop)
Anselem
Wilkinson
And you have to feel pretty good about being 10 deep with that Experience/Talent
Days
Manning
Hyatt
Leblanc
Thomas
Cook (bets out Bishop)
Anselem
Wilkinson
And you have to feel pretty good about being 10 deep with that Experience/Talent
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