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re: LSU Baseball 2024 (and beyond) Recruiting Thread OLD THREAD

Posted on 7/2/24 at 6:49 pm to
Posted by N2daWild
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Posted on 7/2/24 at 6:49 pm to
Dallas Dale
Cam Johnson
Ryan Kucherak
Derrick Mitchell
Austen Roellig
MJ Seo
Dylan Thompson

There is a lot of potential here but none of these guys contributed in 2024 and none were certain to contribute in 2025.

These kind of losses suck but they can be replaced. When you start losing contributors is when your program is in trouble.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 7/2/24 at 6:52 pm to
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These kind of losses suck but they can be replaced


Replacing a player you hope to be in your program for 3 years minimum with, let’s say, a 5th yr Sr from the MAC who you get for 1 year isn’t exactly winning
Posted by N2daWild
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Posted on 7/2/24 at 6:54 pm to
I'm assuming Kucherak got word of a future portal signing or is just covering himself in case we do. It is what it is.

Milam has been and always will be best suited for 2B. He would be just fine at SS but it isn't his natural or future position.

Thompson actually looked good defensively at 3B in the fall but I never really understood the signing. Good player but always felt he would be better off at a smaller school. I could be wrong but those have been my thoughts since the fall.
Posted by lsu711
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Posted on 7/2/24 at 6:57 pm to
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Louisiana kids must be a priority.

You are getting downvoted, but that has to be a bigger part of the strategy. We won in 23 because of Dugas, Jobert, Milazzo, Trav. Tenn won this year because of Ensley, Tears, Stark, Connell. All waited their turn except for maybe Milazzo. Of course, it was a different time when they were freshmen.
Posted by N2daWild
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Posted on 7/2/24 at 7:01 pm to
I disagree Lester. We have had plenty of one year players that did just fine with us.

Skenes, Berry, Braswell, Jump, Holman.

Developing guys for two years to contribute as Juniors is going away. This is the era of plug and play. Your contributors stick around and you replace your bench with proven starters. I'm okay with signing a proven Dickinson for example and letting Kucherak move on. Kucherak wasn't good enough to play in 2024 and who knows how good he would be in 2025. Perhaps great, perhaps not. There is less risk with Dickinson.

It's not great for baseball, coaches or the fans but at least we are in position to benefit from this.
This post was edited on 7/2/24 at 7:02 pm
Posted by hessmersaint
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 7/2/24 at 7:05 pm to
Will Hellmers says Hi.
We need program guys from LA.

It can’t all be mercenaries that come one year at a time.

Look at the championship team from last year. Look at Tennessee this year.
Posted by nps6724
Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 7/2/24 at 7:05 pm to
Dugas and Travinski were both injured quite a lot early in their careers, but Dugas was getting consistent playing time when healthy as a freshman. Jobert was an immediate starter when he transferred in. Beloso was also an immediate starter who then suffered injuries later in his career.

None of them were healthy backups before getting opportunities as upper classmen.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 7/2/24 at 7:09 pm to
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disagree Lester. We have had plenty of one year players that did just fine with us.

Skenes, Berry, Braswell, Jump, Holman.


No one is saying it’s bad to add players in the portal. In fact, it is quite necessary.

But one of the pool of players has to be supplemental. And it can’t really be your high school recruits.

Jay doesn’t want to build like this, and frankly will tear him doing trying to fill a new roster every year. He’s already said things like this all ready.
Posted by hessmersaint
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Posted on 7/2/24 at 7:10 pm to
Lester is correct.
Portal should be supplemental.
Posted by nps6724
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Posted on 7/2/24 at 7:11 pm to
Hellmers pitched 11 innings in 2023 and 23.1 in 2024. He was amazing in the final game, but he wasn't a major part of the team's success in either season.
Posted by hessmersaint
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 7/2/24 at 7:13 pm to
He was a leader in the locker room and got much better as a senior.

Teams need veteran players to lead.
Posted by nps6724
Member since Mar 2019
320 posts
Posted on 7/2/24 at 7:15 pm to
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Portal should be supplemental.


Yeah, it's too difficult to build a new team every year. The problem we're currently having is not enough younger players developing into regular contributors. Kling and Neal not working out was a big setback.
Posted by N2daWild
Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 7/2/24 at 7:16 pm to
You do realize our top two pitchers, starting SS and top hitter in 2024 were all from the portal?

Portal is far cry from just being supplemental.
Posted by hessmersaint
Member since Mar 2009
648 posts
Posted on 7/2/24 at 7:19 pm to
Adding 5 players per year is supplemental. Not 10-15.
We are at 8 right now. We will be much higher than they bc of all the losses. That’s what I mean.
Posted by nk99
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 7/2/24 at 7:20 pm to
We need guys like Ethan Frey, the Pearsons , Gavin Guidry , Jake brown to have a solid foundation and locker room. You build around those guys
Posted by TigerCub
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Posted on 7/2/24 at 7:23 pm to
quote:

Lester is correct.
Portal should be supplemental.


That’s what everyone would like. But what is the solution to keep kids around? Play them just to play them? Who should Kucharek have taken ABs away from this year?
Posted by BayTiger13
Louisiana
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Posted on 7/2/24 at 7:24 pm to
I agree with what a lot of you are saying but it also depends on the attitudes of the kids. Most of the kids that make it here are used to being the guy and the way they will be thinking is they should play. If they don’t play then they are gone. The team definitely needs to get more consistency with players that start here but with the amount of turnover last season we are finding it hard to get there. Also doesn’t help that a decent amount of the high school talent good enough to get early PT is DES. So that only gives 2 years to plan around. It should get better but this year it’s obviously a year to have to use the portal very heavily.
Posted by N2daWild
Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 7/2/24 at 7:25 pm to
None of the guys lost in the portal were contributors in 2024 or guaranteed contributors in 2025. They are certainly replaceable with proven portal players.

I really like Kucherack but I would feel better replacing him with a proven veteran. If that means he moves on, then oh well. It sucks but to suggest we can't replace in the portal in 2025 or 2026 for that matter is simply not true
Posted by N2daWild
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Posted on 7/2/24 at 7:26 pm to
We're Skenes, Braswell, etc. Not solid locker room guys?
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
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Posted on 7/2/24 at 7:28 pm to
quote:

None of the guys lost in the portal were contributors in 2024 or guaranteed contributors in 2025. They are certainly replaceable with proven portal players.



the only reason the portal guys are guaranteed is because they wont have any competition to compete against lol. Nothing is guaranteed.


Fans love the allure of the unknown, the backup QB syndrome.

Coaches hate surprises, though.
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