re: LSU Baseball 2023 (and beyond) Recruiting Thread - Old Thread - Please unpin

Here is a list of guys we're connected to in some form or fashion (I can't verify the level of interest from either side) that could potentially be in the incoming class. They are 2023s, JUCOs, and Portal guys. I just wanted to put a list together to see where we stand.

JUCO
Robert Fortenberry LHP
Briant Bazydlo LHP
Brock Slaton OF
Peter Storjohann RHP
Kenny Keller LHP
Justin Webster RHP
Quinn Prosser RHP
Slaide Naturman RHP
Zach Garber LHP
Jake Bennett C/1B/OF
Derek Williams 1B/OF
Hunter Hanes LHP
Quinn Holt RHP
Trey Cehajic RHP
Trey Cruz INF
Titan Hayes RHP
Gage Boehm RHP
Alex Ramos RHP
Frank Siano RHP
Jake Potts RHP
Cobe Reeves LHP

2023
Dillon Despain RHP
Jake Melvin RHP
Jake Warkentian INF
Bennett Fryman OF/LHP

Portal
Owen Fuller INF

I will add profile or stat links when I can.

I haven't seen anything about him since last summer, and I've been looking. I don't know if he's in school somewhere or where it might be. I can't really tell if he's still attached to us. I'll keep looking though.

Talent wise, he could help us if he recovers well. Injury timing wise, I think it would line up for him to pitch in the fall.

I don't know the answer to that.

Last I heard about Siravo was that he joined LSU back in January but nothing else officially

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as it's been found that velo can be taught more easily than command.

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opposite from all the research on that. driveline has tons of stuff on it. so does dr heenan at atp as does ben at thread.

and early velo does not mean more elbow valgus stress. It means if the body is unprepared that it might be more stress depending on how the mechanics are.

for example if a kid throws gas but has slow arm action and is extremely strong in the legs and at chins(the lats) then he is using his legs to drive the velo and having strong lats means he is perfectly capable of deceleration which puts him at much less risk of any additional elbow valgus stress.

your problem comes in when players have an IR/ER imbalance and are using arm overspeed to create the velo while having weak lats.

but early velo absolutely does not mean extra valgus stress, not even close.


and command is much much easier to teach than velo. thats why its so important to start training velo early and to beat the 3.2mph aging curve.

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The Indians/Guardians have been kind of on the forefront of that.

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you are talking about taking guys already throwing low 90s and getting them up to high 90s/low triple digits..totally different things


not trying to argue, this just happens to be one of my specialties when it comes to strength and conditioning. that and rotational speed. there are a lot of factors that go into these things and way over the head of 99% of parents and hell even most pitching coaches. thats why i always push the armcare.com app because it takes care of most of these things and why i push for so many to start lifting and eating to gain weight early.

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I don't mean more stress in that throwing hard early alone means that it's harmful. I mean that a kid throwing harder earlier will be stressing his arm longer than a similar kid not throwing hard early.

For any number of reasons, bad mechanics, bad coaching, more use because they're "better".

It's one of the reasons that the draft profile of really high velo high school righties has been dropping over time.

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like i said it can be, doesnt mean it auto is. i guess the crowd that screams "TJ INCOMING!!!" just gets on my nerves when they have no back up or even any understanding of the why TJ happens and why its not a b&w issue.

proper arm care, weight of the individual, reverse lunge strength and stability, chin up strength etc all play a part.

for example, someone who can has brought their BW up to 2.5xheight in inches lowers the chance of ucl tear dramatically. having the ability to reverse lunge BW on the bar for 10 reps on each leg reduces chance of ucl tear by a little over 800%. Being able to iso hold in reverse lunge position for 3 min each side and not have form break down has shown similar reduction in younger players

similarlly in younger players having the ability to perform 13 dead hang chest to bar chins or for older HS playersbeing able to chins 250 lbs(BW + weigth) for 1 real rep reduces chance by 400%


getting up to ideal BW of 2.75-2.9 x height in inches shows big decrease.

ability to bird dog row 1/3 BW for 5 reps shows big decrease in ucl tears

couple other mobility ones show big decreases too as does being balanced in the IR/ER, grip strength etc etc

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It's one of the reasons that the draft profile of really high velo high school righties has been dropping over time.

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i personally think this a by product of a couple things

1) they have become a lot more common

2) because they have become more common you are seeing kids push the envelope with the weighted ball programs, many of them being generic programs with no custimization and before the kids have created the strength and stability to really have the ability to use these types of programs, plus many are jumping right in with no on ramp.

3) many kids are waiting way to late to start velo training, many until HS so they are trying to get 10mph jumps after soph year.


imo a 9u kid show start really training mound velo and should shoot to double the aging curve. 7-8u should start training velo through long toss and intent to throw(btw this isnt just my opinion, its the opinion of driveline, longworth, dr heenan, ben brewster of thread, topvelocity, brx and many others) and that you should shoot to be in the 5mph average gain per year.

if a 9u kid throws 51, which is 2sd or about what most aaa level players throw at that age. if you gain 6.4mph which is just double the aging curve

9-14 is 6 year before entering hs as a freshman. that puts you around 80mph entering as a freshman which puts you between the 3rd & 4th SD or a college level track. that allows you to just work your arse off and hit the 3.2 aging curve jumps and that puts you around the 90mph by senior year which is very good progress but sustainable.


problem I see more often, is many kids enter HS throwing 70, they then get crazy aggressive with training and add 25mph in 2-3 years not giving their body time to adapt. See alot more arm injuries this away imo.

Correct. They have millions of "experts" out there. In reality, there are very few experts out there. Kids and parents have a hard time deciphering between the 2, especially when the "experts" may also be able to get them exposure to college and pro scouts that the true expert will not.

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Correct. They have millions of "experts" out there. In reality, there are very few experts out there. Kids and parents have a hard time deciphering between the 2, especially when the "experts" may also be able to get them exposure to college and pro scouts that the true expert will not.

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see i disagree, lots of experts out there....problem is people dont like what they put out. most kids dont want to put the work in that it takes to meet the weight and strength metrics of the 90mph formula or the work ben brewster lays out in the 100mph body or the work bill miller prescribes in throw fast.....that shite is hard work, lots of it for years. most kids want nothign to do with hard work.

i know we all like to act like Barbe puts out kids because they are barbe, but one thing glen always does is he always has his kids work their asses off. all year, in season and off season they are up there at 5am lifting before school and if you drive by at 9pm, there are still kids up there hitting every night. go drive by the football field in august and the baseball kids are out there doign the prescibed long toss program. the kids work or they are gone.

problem now a days is like you mentioned...."experts" that offer qucik "velo hacks" or programs like 10mph if 30 days etc etc....that shite is recipe for disaster.

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I'm loving this discussion.

Gotta get away from the rant for these types of discussions without people chiming in just putting people down that don't agree.

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man yesterday the HS coach on the MSB...was killing me. he didnt even understand exit velo and launch angle and how the coorlate and how you should adjust LA to match exit velo based off probality of hit according to that exit velo and size field.

i linked dozens of articles and all he kept saying was only way to get launch angle was hit the ball out front and cheat. wouldnt read the articles to educate himself and kept saying "Travel Ball LYFE!" and telling me i was wrong and that shite dont fly in HS.

finally linked him to one of matt antenelli's videos on how to swing and it was what 99% of peopel would consider a "launch angle swing" and he states...yea thats hitting 101.

i kind of lost it and became an a-hole, not gonna lie. mainly because he wouldnt even educate himself even after admitting he didnt understand launch angle....just kept relying on the fact he is a HS coach so he auto knows better than anyone else

i just like having discussion where peopel will actually back up what they are saying instead of just saying....you are wrong, dont care how much evidence you present

especially hate when people say you are wrong even after they admit they dont understand something

got to love it.