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re: Jonah Williams - Bayou Splash Attendee, Two Sport Athlete
Posted on 7/23/24 at 1:38 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 7/23/24 at 1:38 pm to Lester Earl
So you're trusting a few random twitter accounts with pocket radars over several actual events with real radars? Gotcha
This isnt some subjective ranking on PG or a commitment they cant keep up with. They post the top velocities at all these different events and the guy has been to a bunch of them over the last year and never came close to 94, much less "sitting 91-93". If he ha dnothing for this year sure, 90 to 94 is believable over a year. But he literally topped out at 90 just 3 weeks prior this supposed 94 at an event with a good radar probably compared to random twitter account guy with cheapest pocket radar.
Not to mention literally on page 1 the guy most connected with internal LSU baseball here said this guy throws around 88 in reality regardless of what a few pocket radars have said.
This isnt some subjective ranking on PG or a commitment they cant keep up with. They post the top velocities at all these different events and the guy has been to a bunch of them over the last year and never came close to 94, much less "sitting 91-93". If he ha dnothing for this year sure, 90 to 94 is believable over a year. But he literally topped out at 90 just 3 weeks prior this supposed 94 at an event with a good radar probably compared to random twitter account guy with cheapest pocket radar.
Not to mention literally on page 1 the guy most connected with internal LSU baseball here said this guy throws around 88 in reality regardless of what a few pocket radars have said.
This post was edited on 7/23/24 at 1:42 pm
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Posted on 7/23/24 at 1:43 pm to thunderbird1100
Did it ever dawn on you that Jay Johnson likes this guy as an OF as well? The kid is 6’3 205 and runs like a deer. I don’t care who’s connected to the program on this site, kids like Jonah Williams don’t grow on trees. Moscona said this morning on his podcast that he hit over .400 as a sophomore. He may not turn out to be a college pitcher in the SEC, but he’s an elite football player with tools you can’t teach in baseball.
Posted on 7/23/24 at 1:52 pm to GeauxLSU4
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Did it ever dawn on you that Jay Johnson likes this guy as an OF as well? The kid is 6’3 205 and runs like a deer. I don’t care who’s connected to the program on this site, kids like Jonah Williams don’t grow on trees. Moscona said this morning on his podcast that he hit over .400 as a sophomore. He may not turn out to be a college pitcher in the SEC, but he’s an elite football player with tools you can’t teach in baseball.
I never mentioned anything about his hitting ability or if he could play baseball here or not. I'm having a conversation on how hard he actually throws and his pro prospects. He is not considered a "pro baseball prosect" (albeit very large definition here) at the moment was the point and doesnt throw mid 90s from the left side as he's more a high 80s, tops out at 90 guy at verified events.
This is not saying he cant or shouldnt play baseball here, just trying to keep in check reality here. He's a MUCH MUCH bigger football prospect than baseball, its not even close really. Dude is an elite football player and thats not questionable. Even if a team was interested in him in the 4th or 5th round he would never sign for that kind of money considering what he would have to probably pass up playing football NIL wise alone at a school for 3 years, not to mention his pro potential in football.
This post was edited on 7/23/24 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 7/23/24 at 1:52 pm to thunderbird1100
We vet data & information very differently.
You are veering into the direction of believing what you want to in order to satisfy your confirmation bias.
Me: I don’t know why he threw 90 a month ago. Or who was monitoring that. Or if it was live or simulated. Or what the circumstances were.
I do know he plays two sports. And does not have a ton of verified data in baseball to even compare it too. Conclusion: it is not all that wild to see reported fluctuations in his velocity
On two separate occasions backed by first hand accounts, he has t92 & again t94 recently. I guess just coincidentally two guys were using cheap pocket radars from weird angles
You are veering into the direction of believing what you want to in order to satisfy your confirmation bias.
Me: I don’t know why he threw 90 a month ago. Or who was monitoring that. Or if it was live or simulated. Or what the circumstances were.
I do know he plays two sports. And does not have a ton of verified data in baseball to even compare it too. Conclusion: it is not all that wild to see reported fluctuations in his velocity
On two separate occasions backed by first hand accounts, he has t92 & again t94 recently. I guess just coincidentally two guys were using cheap pocket radars from weird angles
Posted on 7/23/24 at 1:59 pm to thunderbird1100
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Not to mention literally on page 1 the guy most connected with internal LSU baseball here said this guy throws around 88 in reality regardless of what a few pocket radars have said.
All the respect to him, but I need him to tell me what I can’t see. Not what I can see right in front of my eyes with a few clicks.
Posted on 7/23/24 at 2:01 pm to thunderbird1100
And dude, can you please stop logging into perfect game and find better sources? Wasn’t it last week you were copying & pasting the recruiting class from them and they still had guys that have already committed to other schools?
Posted on 7/23/24 at 2:03 pm to Lester Earl
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We vet data & information very differently.
Yeah I'm using verified information at legit events with likely real accurate radars rather than the rando guy posting on twitter from a pocket radar. I mean, again if he only had a couple points and none this year I wouldnt hesitate to believe the 92 or 94 if there wasnt anything else. But again, 4 different events in that last year and he TOPPED out at 87-90 at said events. One of those was 90mph at an event literally 3 weeks before this supposed 94 while also sitting 91-93 now? Top velocity +4mph and sitting higher than he EVER topped out at previously at a real event? Doesnt seem too believable. Maybe he hits this at a legit event without a rando with pocket radar to make it more believable to me but you cant honestly believe random twitter accounts with pocket radar people over legit more controlled event environments with guys taking reading from anywhere in the crowd. Again, these things can be notoriously off. There's complaints all over the internet about pocket radars suddenly being off 4,5,10 mph in some cases.
This post was edited on 7/23/24 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 7/23/24 at 2:05 pm to Lester Earl
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And dude, can you please stop logging into perfect game and find better sources?
Dude, how is random twitter accounts with pocket radars and a drive by post better than actual events with likely better radars and lots of data there? Again, this isnt some random 1 event, they have FOUR different data points there over the last year including one from 3 weeks before this 94mph supposedly happened.
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Wasn’t it last week you were copying & pasting the recruiting class from them and they still had guys that have already committed to other schools?
I've never copy and pasted anything from them, and not sure what that has to do with anything we're talking about here. A commit list they dont even keep up with is not the same as big time events where guys are being legitimately monitored in many different ways and they are generally using good radars on the field itself setup properly rather than relying on a random dude with a cheap radar in the stands. Are you serious in that those cant be pretty random at times? There's things all over the internet about pocket radars starting to malfunction and being off by 4,5, 10 mph in cases.
This post was edited on 7/23/24 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 7/23/24 at 2:10 pm to thunderbird1100
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Dude, how is random twitter accounts with pocket radars
Again, we vet information very differently. If you are familiar with the space at all, you could click into their profiles & see who and what they are affiliated with & understand they are not just some random people watching Jonah Williams with a pocket radar at some showcase
Posted on 7/23/24 at 2:16 pm to ipodking
The Oregon people for some reason think they have everyone in the bag, and the Moore commitment certainly swelled their heads.
Right now I think it's a 2 team race between LSU and A&M with Texas doing everything it can to get back in the mix.
Right now I think it's a 2 team race between LSU and A&M with Texas doing everything it can to get back in the mix.
Posted on 7/23/24 at 2:16 pm to Lester Earl
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Again, we vet information very differently. If you are familiar with the space at all, you could click into their profiles & see who and what they are affiliated with & understand they are not just some random people watching Jonah Williams with a pocket radar at some showcase
So again, you think the couple random twitter accounts with pocket radars is more verifiable than 4 actual event data points over the last year including 1 literally just weeks before this 94mph showing?
I mean you act like PG has some sort of agenda against the guy or something. They are just posting data points from real events where likely more accurate than pocket radar crowd measurements are taken. I'm really failing to understand the "we vet information differently" argument when there's plenty of legit data points to go on for the guy.
I'm totally on board with you if say he doesnt have anything real out there for the last year, sure he could easily go from 90 to 94 in that kind of time frame. To go from topping 90 to 94 while also sitting 91-93 in 3 weeks? You dont see how that seems to be a bit unbelievable?
On top of all that, the guy way more connected than ANYONE on this board could hope to be spelled it out on page 1 saying he's an upper 80s guy for now.
Posted on 7/23/24 at 2:29 pm to LSU82BILL
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A guy who never played in an NFL games and pitched 12 innings of rookie league baseball is in the same league with Bo Jackson and Deion? Get a grip. The 2-sport professional athlete gimmick is over. Teams are paying players too much money to let them skip part of a season to do that. No matter how much money Nike wants to throw their way, teams aren't going to allow it.
Had Chad Jones not gotten into his car accident, that would have been a different story, but don't let me stop you from showing everyone your ignorance.
He was drafted in the third round by the Football Giants and in the 9th round the last time, he'd been drafted in baseball twice previous to that but instead chose to go to LSU (despite the very bias you speak about against 2 sport athletes, had he been baseball only he most certainly would have went higher the final time he was drafted) and I'm sure if you have a even passing knowledge of sports would know that starters, and even hall of famers have been drafted far lower.
It's disappointing that we never got to see him fully realize his potential as a football or baseball player, so any talk of him being out of Bo and Deion's league is as pure speculation as much as my comparison.
You know how many other players have been starters or heavy contributors on both a football and baseball national championship team ? Jared Mitchell, Anthony Munoz and Chad Jones.
Who knows what could have been ? Certainly not your dumbass
Posted on 7/23/24 at 3:05 pm to ZenFNmaster
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Had Chad Jones not gotten into his car accident, that would have been a different story, but don't let me stop you from showing everyone your ignorance.
He was drafted in the third round by the Football Giants and in the 9th round the last time, he'd been drafted in baseball twice previous to that but instead chose to go to LSU (despite the very bias you speak about against 2 sport athletes, had he been baseball only he most certainly would have went higher the final time he was drafted) and I'm sure if you have a even passing knowledge of sports would know that starters, and even hall of famers have been drafted far lower.
It's disappointing that we never got to see him fully realize his potential as a football or baseball player, so any talk of him being out of Bo and Deion's league is as pure speculation as much as my comparison.
Bo Jackson was the overall #1 pick and Deion Sanders was the #5 overall pick (after 3 other future HOF's). Chad may very well have had a fine NFL career. But comparing him to Bo and Deion is ridiculous. Everyone loved the Dreadlocks of Doom. I get it. But his legend was all based on 3 scoreless innings in Omaha. Downvote away but Chad was an average player with 48 career AB's and 6.2 IP in his entire LSU baseball career. Nothing about his LSU baseball career suggests he would have been drafted higher or had a high likelihood of playing in the major leagues. If you think I'm an ignorant dumbass, so be it. But you should know that this ignorant dumbass was also drafted twice and knows from experience exactly how hard professional baseball is.
Posted on 7/23/24 at 3:15 pm to Lester Earl
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Draft prospect is a pretty broad term. Less broad than it used to be. But still pretty broad.
He’s not a top 500 draft prospect. That should clear up any confusion. Also, his changeup is horrible. Arm is late and hips drift so he misses arm side waaaay too much. He’ll probably see 10 innings his freshman year if he comes to LSU or goes to A&M. I’m in no world saying he isn’t a good baseball player, but this is a kid that if he was baseball only….there wouldn’t be this many threads about him.
That said, Jay has been asked to be full go on this kid until he signs. Determined Jay is a Jay that doesn’t get beat often. I think we get him
Posted on 7/23/24 at 3:27 pm to chadr07
How about john elway
Posted on 7/23/24 at 3:57 pm to ZenFNmaster
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The Oregon people for some reason think they have everyone in the bag
Yeah, ask them how that worked out with DJ Pickett
Posted on 7/23/24 at 4:12 pm to Salviati
Dude looks 38
Posted on 7/23/24 at 7:25 pm to PenguinPubes
I don’t get how they get big time talent seemingly every year, but can’t remember the last time they were anything but mediocre. Why do these kids keep going there?
Posted on 7/23/24 at 7:34 pm to ZenFNmaster
Watching that video highlights brings me back to dread locks of doom. Looks like Chad jones
Posted on 7/24/24 at 8:46 am to Lester Earl
Ok, Lester. Do you think he is a baseball draft risk?
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