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re: John Emery on LSU
Posted on 9/17/18 at 9:38 am to Crowknowsbest
Posted on 9/17/18 at 9:38 am to Crowknowsbest
He will stick and LSU will move on to other positions of need.Davis and Cain are both exceptional backs
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Posted on 9/17/18 at 9:39 am to Crowknowsbest
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None of the top backs at Georgia are going to get a ton of carries if Georgia keeps blowing teams out. It would have been basically unsportsmanlike to run any of our top 3 in the 4th quarter in any of our games so far.
4 carries dude.
His season high is 12 in an SEC East game against USCe that was 20-10 at halftime. TWELVE. Let that sink in. This is a kid who should be a first round draft pick. And, he's averaging 2 carries per quarter. It's amazing. And, the fans are floating a dishonest rumor that he's got a chronic groin issue that he can't get rid of 6 months later. WTF.
You guys are being dishonest and doing exactly what I said you would do...pretend it isn't a problem. It's not a problem for Georgia. It's a problem for the players.
Emery is a workhorse. I'm starting to think you guys don't know what you have. He needs to be fed the ball.
The perfect situation for Emery, no matter where he goes, is for him to be the man, but have a very good backup to share duties. That way, he's not overused, but is still featured.
This post was edited on 9/17/18 at 9:41 am
Posted on 9/17/18 at 9:48 am to moneyg
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This is a kid who should be a first round draft pick. And, he's averaging 2 carries per quarter. It's amazing. And, the fans are floating a dishonest rumor that he's got a chronic groin issue that he can't get rid of 6 months later. WTF.
IDK about whether the groin is or isn't an issue so I won't comment on that.
In the MTSU game, Holyfield was running better so he should have gotten more of the carries. It was then 42-7 at half, ending any chance of the first teamers playing for long.
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His season high is 12 in an SEC East game against USCe that was 20-10 at halftime. TWELVE. Let that sink in.
It was also 41-10 midway through the 3rd quarter, but let's keep being dense.
Ignoring that obvious point, Sony Michel got 156 carries in 14 games last year and was drafted in the 1st round. Maybe it isn't the issue you think.
If UGA has 4-5 "workhorses," I don't want any of them taking a million carries. I want them fresh and would argue that they should want that to if they want to hit the pros with the minimum amount of wear on their bodies.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 10:40 am to Crowknowsbest
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In the MTSU game, Holyfield was running better so he should have gotten more of the carries. It was then 42-7 at half, ending any chance of the first teamers playing for long.
Holyfield got 8 carries.
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If UGA has 4-5 "workhorses," I don't want any of them taking a million carries. I want them fresh and would argue that they should want that to if they want to hit the pros with the minimum amount of wear on their bodies.
Of course, you'll argue that. You'll argue anything that supports this crazy point of view that 24 total carries over 3 games for a 5 star RB who proved himself last year in a reserve role, is a good thing. Hell, the other poster in this thread just floated a rumor that Swift has a lingering groin injury that he can't get rid of. It's not really a good thing to damage the kids rep in order to justify a time share situation that anyone can see on paper. Yet that's exactly what happened. That tells me that you guys are defensive, and that the questions are being asked more and more.
And, it's worse than just Swift (24 carries). Holyfield only has 22 carries. Herrien has 8 carries. Cook, only 22. And, this is with Zamir White being on the bench. Can you imagine what it would be like if he were healthy?
I think last year, they were lucky to have two seniors who were awesome so the workload was top heavy. That formula is the right one, as I said earlier.
Man, I don't know the kid, and I certainly can't speak for him or his father. But, my assumption is that Emery wants the ball. He doesn't want 300 carries obviously. But, he probably wants 15-20 per game, on average...and the possibility of more in a big game where he's needed.
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Ignoring that obvious point, Sony Michel got 156 carries in 14 games last year and was drafted in the 1st round. Maybe it isn't the issue you think.
It should seem crazy to any logical person that Michel, or Chubb for that matter, although his injury was gruesome, needed to play in their senior year. A kid who is featured and leaves as a junior is better off than a kid who splits so much time that he's in school for an additional year to justify a high draft selection.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 10:51 am to moneyg
You seem awfully worked up about this whole situation
It was talked about several times during fall practice by our coaches about how it was still lingering.
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Hell, the other poster in this thread just floated a rumor that Swift has a lingering groin injury that he can't get rid of
It was talked about several times during fall practice by our coaches about how it was still lingering.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 10:52 am to moneyg
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Holyfield got 8 carries
UGA can't magically create more snaps. No one who is watching the games would accuse UGA of not running the ball enough, but at some point you have more good players (not just RBs) than you have snaps available to use them all heavily. That becomes more pronounced when you are playing inferior competition because you have a ton of explosive plays, TD drives in 5 plays or less, and a lopsided game by the 3rd quarter.
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Man, I don't know the kid, and I certainly can't speak for him or his father. But, my assumption is that Emery wants the ball. He doesn't want 300 carries obviously. But, he probably wants 15-20 per game, on average...and the possibility of more in a big game where he's needed.
He's not going to get 15-20 in a lopsided game anywhere. That would be stupid.
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It should seem crazy to any logical person that Michel, or Chubb for that matter, although his injury was gruesome, needed to play in their senior year. A kid who is featured and leaves as a junior is better off than a kid who splits so much time that he's in school for an additional year to justify a high draft selection.
The benefit of them coming back from a showcase perspective was the UGA got its OL sorted out. That was a disaster in 2015 and especially 2016, making it really hard for a RB to stand out. That is no longer an issue.
This post was edited on 9/17/18 at 10:53 am
Posted on 9/17/18 at 11:00 am to Drizzt
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This whole show me the love thing is stupid. Millennials are all narcissists.
Sadly, that is today's game. Must stoke and stroke these infantile egos.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 11:08 am to LSUStar
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Sadly, that is today's game. Must stoke and stroke these infantile egos.
True, once big money got involved it has only gotten way worse.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 11:12 am to Porter Osborne Jr
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You seem awfully worked up about this whole situation
I am? All I've done is point out the carry distribution.
You just made the statement that Swift has a groin injury that he's had since April. That's 6 months.
I haven't heard that anywhere. So, I googled. The only thing I found was a quote by Smart that said the opposite.
What would it mean for a RB to be unable to get rid of a groin injury over 6 months? And, if that's the case, why is Georgia playing him at all? Remember, the entire point of this is that Georgia has too many RB mouths to feed. And, now you are saying the are playing a guy who has a lingering / chronic groin injury?
Not only does that not make sense, it would be a very bad look for the Georgia staff. I don't believe it. Your explanation is much worse than the accusation.
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It was talked about several times during fall practice by our coaches about how it was still lingering.
yikes
Posted on 9/17/18 at 11:22 am to Crowknowsbest
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UGA can't magically create more snaps
That's the point
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No one who is watching the games would accuse UGA of not running the ball enough
That's the point
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but at some point you have more good players (not just RBs) than you have snaps
That's the point
quote:on average. Don't twist my words to try and make a point. That's weak.
He's not going to get 15-20 in a lopsided game anywhere
You inadvertantly admitted to everything.
Honestly, that's much better than openly lying about the situation. Recruits and parents aren't stupid. When they see obvious lies trying to explain things, that's going to make them question.
You'd be better off saying that Georgia is going to get the best RBs and play the best. The others are going to be left behind and that's best for the program. Pretending kids are playing more than they are...or that it's a good thing that they aren't playing...or that they don't want to play...or (worst of all), they have a chronic groin injury that prevents them from playing more but not bad enough to sit and heal are really, really bad arguments.
In the end it won't matter. Neither Emery, nor Emery's dad are going to read this and change their mind. This is a fan board. I just don't see the value in coming here and being dishonest about the depth chart issue. Next year is going to be even worse with Emery and White. It's going to make an already overcrowded situation more crowded.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 11:27 am to airfernando
As an LSU fan in Birmingham I hear coonasses, corn dogs, crazy Cajuns, Cookie Monster, thugs, losers, not intelligent, etc etc etc
Posted on 9/17/18 at 11:29 am to moneyg
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You'd be better off saying that Georgia is going to get the best RBs and play the best.
I’ve never implied anything but that. My point is that the Swift carries situation is not absurd. It’s actually easily explained.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 11:32 am to moneyg
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on average. Don't twist my words to try and make a point. That's weak.
Yet here we are, talking about a UGA RB’s carries in 3 lopsided games.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 11:36 am to Crowknowsbest
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I’ve never implied anything but that. My point is that the Swift carries situation is not absurd. It’s actually easily explained.
It's absurd. The explanation you provided doesn't justify it. It simply explains it.
Logical Person #1: "Swift is way too talented to not be featured. What the heck is going on? This kid should be leading the country against this soft schedule."
Logical Person #2: "That's the problem at Georgia. They have too many mouths to feed. Those kids aren't getting featured the way that they would at other programs. They've got kids behind him who are also very talented.
And, they just added another 5 star RB for next year. Some of those kids simply aren't going to get the playing time they need to showcase their talent for the NFL."
Georgia fan #1: "He had a groin injury. That's why he isn't playing. He's had it since Spring. He can play, but not much. The coaches told me."
Georgia fan #2: "It's not a problem. The kid isn't getting snaps because their simply isn't enough snaps to go around. It's not a problem. It's easily explained. They don't want the mileage. It's not a problem. Sony Michel. Not a problem."
Posted on 9/17/18 at 11:39 am to moneyg
Georgia is not going to run a top back in games they are leading by 30+. In the one game that was marginally competitive, Swift got 12 carries, which is more than reasonable for a game that was over well before the 3rd quarter ended.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 11:40 am to moneyg
When UGA starts playing SEC games, against better competition in closer games, then we will see how many times Swift gets the ball per game.
If that number stays around 5-10, I’ll get the worry there and would absolutely bring that to Emery.
I think we should be saving Swift for our more important games so I’m all for keeping him healthy and letting him show out later.
If that number stays around 5-10, I’ll get the worry there and would absolutely bring that to Emery.
I think we should be saving Swift for our more important games so I’m all for keeping him healthy and letting him show out later.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 11:54 am to Crowknowsbest
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Georgia is not going to run a top back in games they are leading by 30+
he...had...4...carries
And, just to be clear, he had 5 of his 12 carries against SC at 34-10, four of those after 41-10. You guys are just making shite up as you go.
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In the one game that was marginally competitive, Swift got 12 carries which is more than reasonable
It's not reasonable. He's not being featured the way that he would at other programs. That's the point.
I get that it might be in Georgia's best interest. Making up arguments to justify it is pathetic. You should be saying, "We're Georgia. We can get the best RBs even if everyone knows we can't play them all."
Posted on 9/17/18 at 11:55 am to Dawgsontop34
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When UGA starts playing SEC games, against better competition in closer games, then we will see how many times Swift gets the ball per game.
Who is better than SC in the east? He had 5 carries in the first half. FIVE. This is crazy talk.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 12:00 pm to moneyg
Swift is currently tied for 209th in rushing yards.
The kid should be top 10 easy and be getting mention for the Heisman.
The kid should be top 10 easy and be getting mention for the Heisman.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 12:13 pm to moneyg
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The kid should be top 10 easy and be getting mention for the Heisman.
That is unreasonable. There would be no way to get him that many carries in our three games while maintaining any sort of balance without running up the score to an obscene level.
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