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isn't the recruiting cycle weird?

Posted on 8/18/23 at 3:34 pm
Posted by stephendomalley
alexandria
Member since Dec 2005
6157 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 3:34 pm
we've struggled to find offensive linemen, especially tackles. Kelly is just doing a helluva job. But we've always recruited well on the dline. while we've got great players for this year, the recruiting cycle for interior lineman is down. we are missing the star guys for louisiana. same thing with db. i don't think this is a trend - i'm sure we'll be back and next year we'll probably clean up on both db's and interior dlineman.

just remarking how strange it can be to finally improve in one area and then down in traditionally strong areas.

we'll be fine, i'm sure.
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
35440 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 4:07 pm to
Was just thinking this today.

Get oline depth but let some dbs go.

It’s life.


Watch next year though. Kelly will pull a top five with all needs met. No link.
Posted by logansrun
Amite
Member since Dec 2015
1953 posts
Posted on 8/21/23 at 2:28 pm to
I'm 65 and I remember the days before the 25 count where it was said Bear Bryant signed 50 players every year just to keep them from going somewhere else. Then came the 25/85 and that made more sense. Now the NIL and it's a brand new ball game. No more 25 recruit limit but still a hard 85 roster limit of scholarship players. Recruiting is always weird and just wait on the flips. Both the good and the bad. Every commit will be reevaluated during their Sr. seasons and some will be asked to look elsewhere.
This post was edited on 8/21/23 at 2:30 pm
Posted by LSUTIGERS8181
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2012
11101 posts
Posted on 8/21/23 at 3:51 pm to
With NIL we’re a tier 2 school. We’ll get beat by the money schools most of the time and consistently bring in a 6-15 ranked class. Getting into the top 5 though takes money and we don’t have a lot of that
This post was edited on 8/21/23 at 4:26 pm
Posted by paper tiger
acadiana
Member since Feb 2006
1153 posts
Posted on 8/21/23 at 6:25 pm to
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With NIL we’re a tier 2 school. We’ll get beat by the money schools most of the time and consistently bring in a 6-15 ranked class. Getting into the top 5 though takes money and we don’t have a lot of that



Your post will likely be unpopular. And admittedly I know little about how NIL works. But it stands to reason that teams with billionaire alumni have a recruiting advantage and that Texas and Texas A&M have alumni who are massively more wealthy than LSU alumni.

I know of four billionaires in Louisiana, all of whom are relatively poor compared to high end billionaires, if one can call a billionaire poor. I don’t think any of the La billionaires have LSU connections, maybe one or two does.

From what little I have read, our big NIL guns are guys like McKernan and Graves. I’m grateful to them and others who put their money up for LSU. I doubt, however, that McKernan, or even Graves who might be a 200 mil net worth guy, would remotely compare to people like Michael Dell with 30 plus billion or even Jerry Jones from Arkansas with 10 billion or so.

i really do not know how NIL works, but if its all about the money it’s reasonable to think LSU is at a competitive disadvantage. Alabama probably is too. Georgia I am sure has a ton of rich alumni, Florida as well. That probably explains why Napier is doing well in recruiting.

If anyone on here truly knows how NIL works and how our offers compare to offers by texas and texas A&M, please chime in. Common sense and math seems to argue LSU would be at a disadvantage in a pure money battle for players.
Posted by Toadfrggy82
Kaplan, La
Member since Aug 2023
1418 posts
Posted on 8/21/23 at 11:04 pm to
Paper Tiger, I'm trying to understand how NIL works myself, lol.
Posted by LSUDad
Still on the move
Member since May 2004
60680 posts
Posted on 8/22/23 at 12:38 am to
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Florida as well. That probably explains why Napier is doing well in recruiting


If a school can’t recruit Fla, they’ve got problems. The state of Tx has a little under 300 kids every year that sign Scholarships. Fla around 250, Cali 200. Schools in those states should always have players. Louisiana has around 60’ish. There is more D-1 talent in a 100 mile radius of Houston, than in the state of La.

As for money people in La, they have folks that give a ton to LSU, here’s a hint, they have football suites, they attend both men and women’s basketball games, they also love baseball. But don’t think it’s only in state, money comes from out of state. We have money people, just that they stay out of the limelight.

NIL is big, Mulkey put one lady on that job to coordinate the overseeing. It has gotten way too big.

Too much goes into recruiting of a player, even more so now.

Like I say, be thankful for the ones you get, don’t worry about the ones you lose.

Recruiting cycle weird? To a certain extent, it’s always been this way.

Posted by ExpoTiger
Member since Jul 2014
7023 posts
Posted on 8/22/23 at 10:25 am to
I don’t understand how any of it is sustainable in its current form.
Posted by JiminyCricket
Member since Jun 2017
5091 posts
Posted on 8/22/23 at 12:01 pm to
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Paper Tiger, I'm trying to understand how NIL works myself, lol.



Kinda as the old saying goes, there's more than one way to skin a cat and NIL is no different. LSU certainly is not broke and was able to put together a 7 figure package for Colin Simmons. Even though they ultimately didn't get him, that's plenty enough to play at the high rollers table. The difference you may see is the approach.


A&M for example picked up that monster class in large part due to up front money. Apparently their NIL is structured in a way that allows large up front sort of signing bonuses if you will. LSU is a little bit different in that you can absolutely make a ton of NIL money but its typically based on you showing up and producing. If you do, LSU has a brand arguably as big as anyone in college sports. There are pros and cons to both approaches.




The A&M approach will likely get more kids in your boat initially but also could cause your locker room and team culture to take a significant hit. You end up with some guys who are, albeit talented, not at all healthy for your program.



LSU may miss on some guys from time to time but also is more likely to have a healthy team culture, which makes them very very appealing particularly in the portal. It also raises the chances of the HS guys that you do sign turning out to be good guys for your program, not just talented guys.
Posted by JiminyCricket
Member since Jun 2017
5091 posts
Posted on 8/22/23 at 12:06 pm to
quote:

From what little I have read, our big NIL guns are guys like McKernan and Graves. I’m grateful to them and others who put their money up for LSU. I doubt, however, that McKernan, or even Graves who might be a 200 mil net worth guy, would remotely compare to people like Michael Dell with 30 plus billion or even Jerry Jones from Arkansas with 10 billion or so.




True, but as the saying goes, more money, more problems. Take Texas for example. They have all the money, footprint and resources to compete for national titles yearly. They're in a talent rich state, have a massive following and are well established in college athletics.






So why haven't they won anything since the Bush administration? Certainly they have the money to lure almost anyone they want to coach the team and yet they've whiffed consistently since Mack Brown left.


With those high dollar power donors comes alot of drama and politics. It's the Washington DC of college football. It will always be a challenge to get those high prices guys to pull in the same direction for a consistent enough amount of time for the program to find it's footing. This NIL thing is the hot ticket right now, but what happens when, just like they have with coaches, you get too many cooks in the kitchen with regards to the roster and they maybe underachieve a little bit. They certainly have a great advantage over most programs just in terms of resources, but they'll have to find some for lack of better terms alignment of it won't amount to championships.
This post was edited on 8/22/23 at 12:09 pm
Posted by stopitnow1
Florida
Member since Mar 2013
1604 posts
Posted on 8/22/23 at 12:24 pm to
As far as the OL goes we've got atleast 2 guys that will be there the next 2 seasons. If they are looking for early playing time they won't get it here. On top of that you've got heard who will take the position next if not this year, and be here 3 seasons. The DB recruiting is odd though. Just a down year for that position for us. Those skill positions have players that can start their freshman year, so that isn't really a concern as long as we get some top guys next year.
Posted by JiminyCricket
Member since Jun 2017
5091 posts
Posted on 8/22/23 at 12:44 pm to
quote:

The DB recruiting is odd though.



I think the DB recruiting has been exceptional this cycle. You have an elite safety in McBryde and a really solid guy in Rogers and two lockdown corners in Bates and Evans. DOesn't even account for foster in the nickel role either.
Posted by Joshfire23
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2018
45 posts
Posted on 8/22/23 at 3:20 pm to
NIL isn’t sustainable the way it’s going. It is new & NCAA doesn’t seem to have been prepared for the results of opening the door to all the rich boosters. NCAA will have to create some rules to govern NIL. I believe NIL should be for NCAA players only. Not highschool students. There will have to be a line drawn for highschool students & it will have to be called something else.
Posted by Joshfire23
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2018
45 posts
Posted on 8/22/23 at 3:25 pm to
In terms of DLine recruiting, there aren’t many top end DTs in Louisiana regularly. But when we have them, we need to close on them. Now, with the fact that LSU has had 7-8 DLine coaches the past 9 yrs, it hurts. No top end talent will commit to an unstable position group. But I have faith in BK. He will & probably already has recognized the needs to have some stability at the position & will make the necessary changes. Hopefully in time to prepare for 26’ class that may produce some much needed studs.
This post was edited on 8/22/23 at 3:27 pm
Posted by stopitnow1
Florida
Member since Mar 2013
1604 posts
Posted on 8/22/23 at 4:21 pm to
Yeah, but we usually end up with one of the top guys at CB, and we don't really let the top CBs leave the state. There's usually atleast one 5 star CB or safety in the class too.
Posted by JiminyCricket
Member since Jun 2017
5091 posts
Posted on 8/22/23 at 5:42 pm to
Give it time. McBryde has a fantastic shot at getting his 5th star.
Posted by tigerbait2010
PNW
Member since May 2006
31716 posts
Posted on 8/22/23 at 5:50 pm to
I know one of the Choust’s went to lsu but not sure how much he honestly cares.


I think people forget that most schools have talent but being an actual well coached team is sort of a rarity. On paper there shouldn’t be any reason TCU should be where it was but Dykes is an excellent coach with a great staff around him. Denbrock and House ran circles around nick saban’s staff despite a massive talent gap. A few more seasons of that will strengthen our recruiting but we aren’t even 18 months out from the entire media base loathing Brian Kelly and scrutinizing his every move. An 11+ win season will silence it all for good.

The Hunt’s give a lot to Arkansas but I’m not sure if any of the other famous state billionaires actually give a shite about athletics.

LSU has the money to be a top program but personally feel like the school sucks enough finances out with ticket prices and a poor ROI for the experience. The fans have deserved better for a long time now and I think more money will come with that
This post was edited on 8/22/23 at 5:52 pm
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