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Is This Alabama's Recruiting Strategy? What can be done?
Posted on 8/21/13 at 9:14 am
Posted on 8/21/13 at 9:14 am
Is Alabama's strategy to get the top 18-20 players they can from Alabama and nationally and then go HARD after the top 5-7 players out of Louisiana each year?
It seems so. The reasons are obvious. They always have us on the defensive, Louisiana is full of talent, and every top player they take out of Louisiana has a direct effect of not only making them stronger but weakens their top threat to the SEC West title.
It is a smart approach and is the reason why Saban recruits Louisiana harder than any other state. Plus, he has ties here from a decade ago.
One question that I have though, is when will the Louisiana high school coaches stop helping this guy out? Why does he still have pull in Louisiana? He left the state 9 years ago and was only here for 5 years.
When he was at LSU, his strategy was the I-10 corridor from Jaxsonville through to San Antonio, so he was taking what he wanted out of Mobile and the Florida Panhandle. We have not been a threat there since he went to Alabama.
I know that LSU is now recruiting nationally and is getting players out of North Carolina, New Jersey, etc. This is not a complaint of LSU's recruiting. It is just talking about strategy. Saban keeps putting resources in Louisiana because he can. How can we make him play defense?
What needs to happen is Auburn and Tennessee need to be a threat to Alabama to make them focus more on their own backyard. We also need to solidify North Louisiana and New Orleans better than we have earlier.
Would it help for LSU to hire a coach with strong Alabama ties to become a player for talent in Alabama? Probably not as Alabama football is cult-like in Alabama.
Again, I am not complaining about LSU. This is just about strategy. Every year, every single top recruit in Louisiana has Alabama as their top consideration along with LSU. LSU gets most of them, but there is no other team that comes into Louisiana to battle for recruits like Alabama does from these guy's freshman year on. It is clearly a strategy. Talking about it is not obsessing over Alabama. It is recognizing reality and a concentrated attempt that Saban makes to strengthen his own program while simultaneously weakening his biggest threat.
Can anything more be done than what LSU is doing? If not, then it is what it is. I just don't see Alabama doing this anywhere else.
It seems so. The reasons are obvious. They always have us on the defensive, Louisiana is full of talent, and every top player they take out of Louisiana has a direct effect of not only making them stronger but weakens their top threat to the SEC West title.
It is a smart approach and is the reason why Saban recruits Louisiana harder than any other state. Plus, he has ties here from a decade ago.
One question that I have though, is when will the Louisiana high school coaches stop helping this guy out? Why does he still have pull in Louisiana? He left the state 9 years ago and was only here for 5 years.
When he was at LSU, his strategy was the I-10 corridor from Jaxsonville through to San Antonio, so he was taking what he wanted out of Mobile and the Florida Panhandle. We have not been a threat there since he went to Alabama.
I know that LSU is now recruiting nationally and is getting players out of North Carolina, New Jersey, etc. This is not a complaint of LSU's recruiting. It is just talking about strategy. Saban keeps putting resources in Louisiana because he can. How can we make him play defense?
What needs to happen is Auburn and Tennessee need to be a threat to Alabama to make them focus more on their own backyard. We also need to solidify North Louisiana and New Orleans better than we have earlier.
Would it help for LSU to hire a coach with strong Alabama ties to become a player for talent in Alabama? Probably not as Alabama football is cult-like in Alabama.
Again, I am not complaining about LSU. This is just about strategy. Every year, every single top recruit in Louisiana has Alabama as their top consideration along with LSU. LSU gets most of them, but there is no other team that comes into Louisiana to battle for recruits like Alabama does from these guy's freshman year on. It is clearly a strategy. Talking about it is not obsessing over Alabama. It is recognizing reality and a concentrated attempt that Saban makes to strengthen his own program while simultaneously weakening his biggest threat.
Can anything more be done than what LSU is doing? If not, then it is what it is. I just don't see Alabama doing this anywhere else.
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Posted on 8/21/13 at 9:15 am to AlaTiger
Saban will always recruit LA hard. He knows what's there.
Posted on 8/21/13 at 9:17 am to AlaTiger
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Can anything more be done than what LSU is doing?
win 3 MNC in 4 years...
Posted on 8/21/13 at 9:18 am to tubucoco
I get that. It just seems that it is now a major factor in our recruiting.
LSU is doing well with it overall. I just know that the top 10 in Louisiana each year is almost always going to be an LSU-Alabama battle.
LSU is doing well with it overall. I just know that the top 10 in Louisiana each year is almost always going to be an LSU-Alabama battle.
Posted on 8/21/13 at 9:18 am to AlaTiger
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is when will the Louisiana high school coaches stop helping this guy out?
never
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Why does he still have pull in Louisiana?
he's slick as oil, wins ballgames, and gets his players paid, and they have lots of money.
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How can we make him play defense?
stop shitting the bed on national tv when we play him is about all we can do
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there is no other team that comes into Louisiana to battle for recruits like Alabama does
no other coach in college football has won 3/4 NCs and coached in LA for years either
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I just don't see Alabama doing this anywhere else.
They rape the state of georgia and are always in FL and the east cost on the reg.
This post was edited on 8/21/13 at 9:20 am
Posted on 8/21/13 at 9:19 am to Salmon
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win 3 MNC in 4 years
True.
Posted on 8/21/13 at 9:24 am to LsuTool
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They rape the state of georgia and are always in FL and the east cost on the reg.
Yeah, they really do some bad things to Georgia. Mississippi takes some heat too.
Posted on 8/21/13 at 9:28 am to Duckie
Maybe I am just noticing the effect in Louisiana more than other places.
Posted on 8/21/13 at 9:30 am to AlaTiger
He knows first hand the talent that exists in LA. Recruiting LA is the smartest thing he can do because as you said, the more he gets, the stronger it makes him, but the weaker it also makes us. Only reason I would imagine they pick Bama over LSU is a better chance at championships and the NFL. Only thing we can do to help that is beat them, and show recruits they are not better than us.
And to answer your question about LA coaches preventing this from happening. I dont think they will because I dont think they have an incentive to prevent it. Maybe the ones that went to LSU, but thats a much smaller percentage than you would think. What they want is their players to go on and win championships and make a name for themselves. Bama gives them as much a chance for that as LSU does, probably more as of now.
And to answer your question about LA coaches preventing this from happening. I dont think they will because I dont think they have an incentive to prevent it. Maybe the ones that went to LSU, but thats a much smaller percentage than you would think. What they want is their players to go on and win championships and make a name for themselves. Bama gives them as much a chance for that as LSU does, probably more as of now.
Posted on 8/21/13 at 9:30 am to AlaTiger
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Maybe I am just noticing the effect in Louisiana more than other places.
prolly so, since you notice it more.
Saban gets a pretty shitty return on his investment in La though. They have spent millions of dollars recruiting here since he got to bama and the most he has to show for it was the 4th best RB in the draft last year, some backups, and rejects.
Posted on 8/21/13 at 9:32 am to AlaTiger
Good post alatiger.
IMO, we need to keep our foot on aTm's throat. We need to make sure we don't have another big threat in our back yard.
It is aggravating that these coaches help Saban still but there's Alabama alum coaching here and coaches with ties to LA. Idk what to do about it but I don't doubt that they're plants.
Truthfully, we haven't lost too much to Saban considering all variables. I'm glad we have put in enough work to keep him at bay.
I think we land Cam Robinson FWIW. But I don't like battling bama for our own kids every year. You bring up a lot of good points in this thread.
And yeah, we are getting more national with our recruiting. We're a few players from forming a little NJ and IL pipeline. But we need to keep our boarders sealed for years like this. Our La guys are always underrated so we need to keep taking our guys and cherry pick others.
I agree that we need to start giving the state of Alabama more looks. Maybe on a year that we can afford to though bc there's just too much to be had out of La and Tx this year. We recruit hard out of Texas, la and Florida so it's hard to form pipelined when were all over the place. I do think we should start planting coaches in Alabama.
IMO, we need to keep our foot on aTm's throat. We need to make sure we don't have another big threat in our back yard.
It is aggravating that these coaches help Saban still but there's Alabama alum coaching here and coaches with ties to LA. Idk what to do about it but I don't doubt that they're plants.
Truthfully, we haven't lost too much to Saban considering all variables. I'm glad we have put in enough work to keep him at bay.
I think we land Cam Robinson FWIW. But I don't like battling bama for our own kids every year. You bring up a lot of good points in this thread.
And yeah, we are getting more national with our recruiting. We're a few players from forming a little NJ and IL pipeline. But we need to keep our boarders sealed for years like this. Our La guys are always underrated so we need to keep taking our guys and cherry pick others.
I agree that we need to start giving the state of Alabama more looks. Maybe on a year that we can afford to though bc there's just too much to be had out of La and Tx this year. We recruit hard out of Texas, la and Florida so it's hard to form pipelined when were all over the place. I do think we should start planting coaches in Alabama.
Posted on 8/21/13 at 9:32 am to Duckie
Geez this board will implode,,,,
If Bama gets CRob only = disgust, anger, frustration
If Bama gets CRob & Hootie = huge meltdown
If Bama gets CR, Hootie & LF = entire board implosion - RB diehards placed on suicide watch.
I hate Saban, makes following recruiting more dramatic but less enjoyable.
If Bama gets CRob only = disgust, anger, frustration
If Bama gets CRob & Hootie = huge meltdown
If Bama gets CR, Hootie & LF = entire board implosion - RB diehards placed on suicide watch.
I hate Saban, makes following recruiting more dramatic but less enjoyable.
Posted on 8/21/13 at 9:33 am to AlaTiger
percentage wise we really have louisiana locked up...we may lose 1 or 2 a year but thats it and thats damn good compared to every other state in the country
Posted on 8/21/13 at 9:35 am to redfieldk717
besides LC, what recruit did LSU really go after that chose Bama?
Posted on 8/21/13 at 9:35 am to OlyTiger
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I hate Saban, makes following recruiting more dramatic but less enjoyable.
He makes all of college football less enjoyable. It gets a little old trying to watch college football coverage but instead being treated to constant Saban ball washing.
Posted on 8/21/13 at 9:36 am to redfieldk717
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percentage wise we really have louisiana locked up...we may lose 1 or 2 a year but thats it and thats damn good compared to every other state in the country
Posted on 8/21/13 at 9:37 am to Salmon
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besides LC, what recruit did LSU really go after that chose Bama?
i wasnt talking about just bama, more in general. devall and davis
Posted on 8/21/13 at 9:37 am to AlaTiger
Only thing that can be done is fire Les & Frank. They just shite the bed on LSU recruiting
Posted on 8/21/13 at 9:37 am to AlaTiger
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If not, then it is what it is.
IMO, the natcham loss (in New Orleans) and the endgame defensive letdown last season went a long way to strengthening sabans hand as it lent an air of eventuality to the LSU/bama dynamic. some La. kids just don't want to play for LSU....some La. kids are thinking, "if you can't beat them, might as well join them." it's got nothing to do with prep for the next level cause our draftday results stand strong on their own merits. it's got everything to do with being a winner and playing for the best. it is what it is and it will remain that way until we start thumping bama on a consistant basis. chances of that happening? anyone?
ya got to get better.Posted on 8/21/13 at 9:40 am to redfieldk717
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percentage wise we really have louisiana locked up...we may lose 1 or 2 a year but thats it and thats damn good compared to every other state in the country
yep, saban prolly lands about 4% of the kids he offers here which is pretty shitty but better than any other coach. The amount of time and money he spends in LA and with his connections, it's simply impossible for him not to land some decent players every now and then.
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