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re: How does La. have so much talent year after year?
Posted on 1/16/11 at 10:11 am to ItTakesAThief
Posted on 1/16/11 at 10:11 am to ItTakesAThief
You're missing his point.
If the reason for La. superiority is solely the black athlete then pre-integration LSU should have been just average. They were much better than average.
Therefore, La. white HS athletes must have been better than white HS athletes in the majority of states.
If the reason for La. superiority is solely the black athlete then pre-integration LSU should have been just average. They were much better than average.
Therefore, La. white HS athletes must have been better than white HS athletes in the majority of states.
Posted on 1/16/11 at 10:12 am to Zach
our genetic makeup (aka black people) is a big part, but our culture of loving football ensures that almost all of our genetic freaks do play (and value) football at some point in their lives
it's a combination of both. without either, our output of talent would suffer big-time
it's a combination of both. without either, our output of talent would suffer big-time
Posted on 1/16/11 at 10:22 am to SlowFlowPro
Take a crack at this, Slow:
In the 1950s Illinois had more white people than La.
So, why was LSU so much better at FB than U. Ill?
In the 1950s Illinois had more white people than La.
So, why was LSU so much better at FB than U. Ill?
Posted on 1/16/11 at 10:24 am to Zach
the game itself has changed so much in 40 years it's impossible to compare classical football to today
there is a lot of data that would be needed to guess as the causation there
i mean look at baseball. in the 60s there were a shite-ton of american black people playing baseball. now that demographic is all but dead
there is a lot of data that would be needed to guess as the causation there
i mean look at baseball. in the 60s there were a shite-ton of american black people playing baseball. now that demographic is all but dead
Posted on 1/16/11 at 10:30 am to SlowFlowPro
I know one factor in white demographics in La. is the high percentage of whites with "Mediterranean" genetics....French, Spanish, Italian, Greek, etc. as opposed to "North European" ...Germany, England, Ireland, Scandinavian countries.
"Medit" males reach puberty a full year earlier than "North". They also reach full adult height a year earlier than "North." So, La. white FB players who are in 12th grade are more physically mature than a white FB player from say, Virginia.
"Medit" males reach puberty a full year earlier than "North". They also reach full adult height a year earlier than "North." So, La. white FB players who are in 12th grade are more physically mature than a white FB player from say, Virginia.
Posted on 1/16/11 at 10:41 am to Zach
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In the 1950s Illinois had more white people than La. So, why was LSU so much better at FB than U. Ill?
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Regional weather has some to do with it also. Kids here can play year around. Racial breakdown would have to be #1. States with more rural population then city, seem to have more talent for obvious reasons.
Posted on 1/16/11 at 1:09 pm to Mikeno
Then why isn't Louisiana and Mississippi hotbeds for high school and college basketball which are more predominately played by black athletes.
It seems to me that football is to the south (LA) as basketball is to the northern urban areas - a way out. The tradition is football in the south, basketball in the northern cities, and baseball to the latin countries.
It seems to me that football is to the south (LA) as basketball is to the northern urban areas - a way out. The tradition is football in the south, basketball in the northern cities, and baseball to the latin countries.
Posted on 1/16/11 at 1:12 pm to ItTakesAThief
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If that's the case then why did LSU have good/very good teams in the 50's and 60's before integration
If you really believe that the teams of the 50's and 60's could compete with teams today, you are kidding yourself
Relative to the competition of the era they were deemed to be just as talented as the integrated schools from around the country. No one suggests that any school, including the integrated schools of the 50's and 60's could compete physically with the teams today. However, if you don't think the boys back then were just as well conditioned and in many cases more so, then you're fooling yourselves. Imagine the majority of any of today's squads playing 80-90 percent of every snap, both sides of the ball. We could ball back in the day too. As for Louisiana having such a high percentage of talent, it does fall in line with most of the southern states, from Texas to Florida, Arkansas to the Carolinas. And yes, part of the answer is the larger percentage of black athletes available. The culture of Friday Night Lights also has a great deal to do with it. Not near as many folks are apt to brave the late fall weather in the north and northeast to support their local schools. Many HS games are played in Sat. mornings in some of those areas. Just not as big of an event.
Posted on 1/16/11 at 1:28 pm to Zach
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La. talent is more with skill position players. Not so much with linemen.
That used to be the case, but not anymore.
Posted on 1/16/11 at 1:29 pm to RANDY44
Genes and climate. I will use one bloodline as an example. Hillard: Dalton, Ivory, and soon to be Kenny at LSU. Ike at Florida. That is one family that produced 4 college football players and Curtis who is Dalton's older brother might have been better than all of them. It just didn't work out for him to go to college. As long as those type of families stay in Louisiana we will always have solid football players. The climate is a big deal also. Cold weather states typically don't have a lot of good football players. Being able to go outside and train year round is makes good prospects better.
Posted on 1/16/11 at 1:34 pm to tigerbru17
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Well in a nice way to put it...in this area back in the 1800's the biggest and strongest usually had kids together on purpose...great athletic genes have been passed down..
truth. Not racist, just truth. Thats why we have super humans. I hate how people are sensitive to that fact.
Posted on 1/16/11 at 1:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
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our genetic makeup (aka black people) is a big part, but our culture of loving football ensures that almost all of our genetic freaks do play (and value) football at some point in their lives
it's a combination of both. without either, our output of talent would suffer big-time
perfect way of putting it.
Posted on 1/16/11 at 4:26 pm to souldog
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Then why isn't Louisiana and Mississippi hotbeds for high school and college basketball which are more predominately played by black athletes.
First off, there are no HS sports that are predominantly played by black athletes.
Secondly, as has been stated plenty of times already, climate and passion for particular sports regionally are driving factors as well.
North = colder climate = indoor sports = basketball and hockey produce more skilled players
South = warmer climate = more outdoor sports = football and baseball produce more skilled players
Posted on 1/16/11 at 5:48 pm to Mikeno
I know this is a subject that a lot of people do not like to talk about, but there was a whole lot of race mixing going on in Louisiana, a lot of white people are mixed with black, like wise there are a lot of black people mixed with white, then throw in the Native American which mixed with both races and you have a new breed of people, there are not too many pure blood people in the state of La. I would call it a Gumbo of people.
Posted on 1/16/11 at 6:07 pm to FtBelvoirTiger
Yankees spend more time in classrooms?
Posted on 1/16/11 at 10:41 pm to Geaux Tahel
Think about all the NFL players that Grambling produced in the 50s, 60s, 70s, and into the 80s. Had those players played at LSU, LSU would have been dominate. Hell Billy Joe Dupree from West Monroe played at Michigan St in the late 60s.
Posted on 1/17/11 at 8:47 am to tigerbru17
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Well in a nice way to put it...in this area back in the 1800's the biggest and strongest usually had kids together on purpose...great athletic genes have been passed down..
This, just ask Nolan Richardson.
Posted on 1/17/11 at 10:30 am to sabanisarustedspoke
My thoughts:
1. High school football is VERY popular in Louisiana. It gets much more media coverage than in other states and more athletes are pushed to play football.
2. We are a very poor state. In poorer states, athletics are usually viewed by more people as an avenue of escape from poverty. If you are wealthy, do you push your kid to play football where there is a likelyhood of becoming permanently injured? No, he's already got it made and doesn't need football. You send him to tennis camp where he can get his exercise without the risk of serious injury. If you are poor and can't afford private sports lessons, you kid plays sports at school and see #1, football is the most important sport in Louisiana. Also, as I mentioned, sports has given so many people the false hope of "making it."
3. Diversity of population is a key factor. This has been mentioned earlier, but we have a very diverse population, and I'm not just talking black and white. The white population here has to be the most diverse in the nation with the typical "Southern" North Louisiana, the "Cajun" South Louisiana and then the New Orleans urban area. The same could be said with the black population and the interbreeding that has occurred over the centuries.
I don't buy the whole breeding slaves argument as this is 2010 and that hasn't occurred in 150 years. If this where 1880, it might be relevent.
1. High school football is VERY popular in Louisiana. It gets much more media coverage than in other states and more athletes are pushed to play football.
2. We are a very poor state. In poorer states, athletics are usually viewed by more people as an avenue of escape from poverty. If you are wealthy, do you push your kid to play football where there is a likelyhood of becoming permanently injured? No, he's already got it made and doesn't need football. You send him to tennis camp where he can get his exercise without the risk of serious injury. If you are poor and can't afford private sports lessons, you kid plays sports at school and see #1, football is the most important sport in Louisiana. Also, as I mentioned, sports has given so many people the false hope of "making it."
3. Diversity of population is a key factor. This has been mentioned earlier, but we have a very diverse population, and I'm not just talking black and white. The white population here has to be the most diverse in the nation with the typical "Southern" North Louisiana, the "Cajun" South Louisiana and then the New Orleans urban area. The same could be said with the black population and the interbreeding that has occurred over the centuries.
I don't buy the whole breeding slaves argument as this is 2010 and that hasn't occurred in 150 years. If this where 1880, it might be relevent.
Posted on 1/17/11 at 10:53 am to sabanisarustedspoke
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I was being sarcastic
I wasn't replying to your Nolan Richardson comment, you were just the last person to post on the thread before me.
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