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re: How Are the Top DLine Prospects in the Nation Not Lining Up At LSU's Door?
Posted on 10/3/14 at 6:20 pm to partywiththelombardi
Posted on 10/3/14 at 6:20 pm to partywiththelombardi
Godchaux has been a pleasant surprise. I knew he had tremendous talent, but was more surprised he was ready to go after a pretty serious injury last season.
I still think Valentine will be solid and maybe Trey L. also when they are finally ready to go.
We just have to hope the 2015 season is all right, since it looks like the 2016 DL class will be outstanding.
I still think Valentine will be solid and maybe Trey L. also when they are finally ready to go.
We just have to hope the 2015 season is all right, since it looks like the 2016 DL class will be outstanding.
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Posted on 10/3/14 at 7:14 pm to rjokerlsu
The D Line has underperformed the past few years, with only a couple of exceptions.
You must ask if Brick is the best guy foe the job.
is his strength coaching?
Recruiting?
What are his success stories?
You must ask if Brick is the best guy foe the job.
is his strength coaching?
Recruiting?
What are his success stories?
Posted on 10/3/14 at 7:49 pm to nitwit
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What are his success stories?
Michael Brockers
Posted on 10/3/14 at 9:02 pm to BasilBogomil
LSU used to have a next guy up philosophy when it came to DT. It just seemed like we were churning them out like butter year after year no matter the departure rate. 2011 was great but it was 3 years ago and we have had very little since.
LSU's golden age was founded on Dline LOS control and domination...it has been lacking and sorely missed...at some point you have to at least consider if Haley is the best man for the job? If he is then we have other issues.
We need to update our facilities, or bring in another strength and conditioning coach who can specialize line instruction for us.
Moffit is phenomenal but is he getting our OL/DL where it needs to be? Maybe bring on a specialist who works with them soley and Moffit continues with everyone else.
Outside of Mingo and Brockers...I dont recall many studs coming out of LSU that played like it...between Montgomery, Freak, and many others...work ethic has been severely lacking
LSU's golden age was founded on Dline LOS control and domination...it has been lacking and sorely missed...at some point you have to at least consider if Haley is the best man for the job? If he is then we have other issues.
We need to update our facilities, or bring in another strength and conditioning coach who can specialize line instruction for us.
Moffit is phenomenal but is he getting our OL/DL where it needs to be? Maybe bring on a specialist who works with them soley and Moffit continues with everyone else.
Outside of Mingo and Brockers...I dont recall many studs coming out of LSU that played like it...between Montgomery, Freak, and many others...work ethic has been severely lacking
Posted on 10/4/14 at 3:10 am to AlaTiger
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Proven track record of getting them in the NFL quickly
Why don't we just develop Mickey Johnson and Quentin Thomas into NFL players...quickly? Because it's the talent that turns them into NFL players, not LSU. Mike Brockers could have gone to 100 other universities, and he still would have been dominant. If LSU had some secret formula then our current players would be All SEC.
So a high school kid has no reason to come to LSU over any of about 30 other schools at which he'd get good training and competition. It doesn't matter the position group.
Posted on 10/4/14 at 7:27 am to Penrod
The number one problem with all of LSU's problems this year stem from one thing.... youth.
College football now more than ever before is the minor leauges for the NFL.
People moan and bitch about LSU recruiting and how many they can take, and not enough O-lineman, or QBs, or D-Lineman. But what they do not realize is that every offer you give to one player, you have to take away from another. The coaching staff makes judgement calls everyday, who to give offers to. They could sign 7-8 D-Lineman this year, and in 3-4 years they would be stout, but our DBs and LB core would be awful because that is taking commitments away from that group. Its a numbers game.
Too many young guys right now on the D-Line, give them time, I gurantee you in 2 years the D-Line will be the strength of the defense.
The nationwide recruiting, camps, and websites, have now made freshmen these superheroes come into save the program. We are as talented and as athletic as anybody in the SEC still, but age and experience is really holding us back. After one loss everybody needs to be fired? A quality starter now for most LSU fans has to be atleast SEC 2nd team, or someone that will get drafted.
Guys like Pep Livingston, Rickey-Jean Francois, and Lavar Edwards, all in recent years, never got the recognition they deserved until after the finished playing, but all were drafted. They were 3-star caliber players, sitting and waiting at LSU behind maybe much more talented and experienced guys, but that helped them tremendously.
No matter who LSU's D-Line coach is in 2016-2017 when all these guys are Juniors and Seniors, they will be nasty. Because when you have 12 guys on the D-Line that will be able to rotate that is scary.
Out of LSU's 2 deep on defense 23/36 = 63% are underclassmen. Let that sink in.
For Mississippi State it is only 9/24 = 37% are underclassmen.
College football now more than ever before is the minor leauges for the NFL.
People moan and bitch about LSU recruiting and how many they can take, and not enough O-lineman, or QBs, or D-Lineman. But what they do not realize is that every offer you give to one player, you have to take away from another. The coaching staff makes judgement calls everyday, who to give offers to. They could sign 7-8 D-Lineman this year, and in 3-4 years they would be stout, but our DBs and LB core would be awful because that is taking commitments away from that group. Its a numbers game.
Too many young guys right now on the D-Line, give them time, I gurantee you in 2 years the D-Line will be the strength of the defense.
The nationwide recruiting, camps, and websites, have now made freshmen these superheroes come into save the program. We are as talented and as athletic as anybody in the SEC still, but age and experience is really holding us back. After one loss everybody needs to be fired? A quality starter now for most LSU fans has to be atleast SEC 2nd team, or someone that will get drafted.
Guys like Pep Livingston, Rickey-Jean Francois, and Lavar Edwards, all in recent years, never got the recognition they deserved until after the finished playing, but all were drafted. They were 3-star caliber players, sitting and waiting at LSU behind maybe much more talented and experienced guys, but that helped them tremendously.
No matter who LSU's D-Line coach is in 2016-2017 when all these guys are Juniors and Seniors, they will be nasty. Because when you have 12 guys on the D-Line that will be able to rotate that is scary.
Out of LSU's 2 deep on defense 23/36 = 63% are underclassmen. Let that sink in.
For Mississippi State it is only 9/24 = 37% are underclassmen.
Posted on 10/4/14 at 8:44 am to AlaTiger
Is it possible Chavis has passed his coaching prime and it may be time to consider a new DC? Personally I can't understand why miles allows Chavis and Cameron to sit in the press box with such young players
Posted on 10/4/14 at 1:06 pm to rzd30
Amen Penrod..... We will be fine.... You will see starting tonite, our Offense will open up allowing the D to get needed rest...
We are not at full force at DT right now but that will change over the next couple of weeks...
LES needs to open up the offense and play to Brandons strength!!!
We are not at full force at DT right now but that will change over the next couple of weeks...
LES needs to open up the offense and play to Brandons strength!!!
Posted on 10/4/14 at 3:31 pm to AlaTiger
AlaTiger - yes, agree.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 9:49 am to AlaTiger
Tennessee has two 5*star DTs committed already. How? I don't know, we are never in play for these guys.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 12:08 am to WalkingTurtles
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Tennessee has two 5*star DTs committed already. How? I don't know, we are never in play for these guys.
Serious question not just a troll. Have you ever followed LSU recruiting before you posted here, or even looked at one of the recruiting sites?
Posted on 10/6/14 at 12:20 am to rzd30
Yes I follow it closely, we got some 4* guys but lost out on Lorenzo Carter the elite guy. Last big time 5* DT we got was Freak and he never panned out.
We have been getting B+ recruits along both lines the past couple of years, no A+ splash. And Tennessee which has been down has 2 of the top 4 DTs in the nation. How are they doing this while we can't land that big fish?
We have been getting B+ recruits along both lines the past couple of years, no A+ splash. And Tennessee which has been down has 2 of the top 4 DTs in the nation. How are they doing this while we can't land that big fish?
Posted on 10/6/14 at 12:33 am to WalkingTurtles
The 4 star guys how old are they just asking?
Where is Tuttle from?
Oh and did you know Khalil Mackenzie is a TN volunteer legacy? Cant believe that 5* chose TN over LSU
How many DT's does LA have this year that are 5* or even 4* composites?
Were Lavar Edwards, Pep Livingston, Rickey Jean Francois good productive players for LSU? And if so how many stars did they have when the committed to the Tigers, I just wanted to know if they were big fish or not?
I will patiently wait for the answers because you follow so closely.
Where is Tuttle from?
Oh and did you know Khalil Mackenzie is a TN volunteer legacy? Cant believe that 5* chose TN over LSU
How many DT's does LA have this year that are 5* or even 4* composites?
Were Lavar Edwards, Pep Livingston, Rickey Jean Francois good productive players for LSU? And if so how many stars did they have when the committed to the Tigers, I just wanted to know if they were big fish or not?
I will patiently wait for the answers because you follow so closely.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 4:58 am to AlaTiger
We have the bodies and all in the top 200
Herron 7th DE in nation out of Tennessee ranked #88
Gilmore 7th DT in nation out of North Carolina ranked #89
Bower 14th DE in nation out of New Jersey ranked #196
Hunter 14th DE in nation out of Texas ranked #194
Clark 11th DE in the nation out of Oklahoma ranked #151
Valentine 4th DT in the nation out of Miami ranked #67
I mean we have recruited well OOS, but in state DL talent has been poor the last 3 years. I really wish we had gotten Breeland Speaks though. Loved his strength and speed.
The guys that could have done something this year in LMFAO and Valentine, are the exact ones that can't play.
It also seemed like LaCouture and Godchaux played nearly the entire game against Auburn. WTF are the coaches doing not getting more guys in there? Stop bullshitting with the other guys, and lets at least see them perform early in games. Gilmore has only played in 2 games (SHSU and NMST) and he's our most highly rated DT. Why are we not doing everything we can to win? Is Gilmore in trouble?
Herron 7th DE in nation out of Tennessee ranked #88
Gilmore 7th DT in nation out of North Carolina ranked #89
Bower 14th DE in nation out of New Jersey ranked #196
Hunter 14th DE in nation out of Texas ranked #194
Clark 11th DE in the nation out of Oklahoma ranked #151
Valentine 4th DT in the nation out of Miami ranked #67
I mean we have recruited well OOS, but in state DL talent has been poor the last 3 years. I really wish we had gotten Breeland Speaks though. Loved his strength and speed.
The guys that could have done something this year in LMFAO and Valentine, are the exact ones that can't play.
It also seemed like LaCouture and Godchaux played nearly the entire game against Auburn. WTF are the coaches doing not getting more guys in there? Stop bullshitting with the other guys, and lets at least see them perform early in games. Gilmore has only played in 2 games (SHSU and NMST) and he's our most highly rated DT. Why are we not doing everything we can to win? Is Gilmore in trouble?
Posted on 10/6/14 at 5:11 am to BasilBogomil
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Michael Brockers
Bennie Logan too. Plus higher rated guys like Mingo and Montgomery who paned out tremendously. Freak was actually a beast his second year picking up 3 sacks and 10 TFL. He was 3rd on them team and he was only a backup.
The dropoff between 2012 and 2013 was HUGE. From 2010-2012 we were putting up major numbers on the DL. If we could have gotten at least one of Freak or Ego to stay, I think we would have been much better off. We are ranked 90th in run defense compared to 36th last year. In 2012, we were ranked 9th.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 5:16 am to WalkingTurtles
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Tennessee has two 5*star DTs committed already. How? I don't know, we are never in play for these guys.
If you followed Tennessee recruiting, you'd know why they have gotten two top DT. LSU can't offer the same specific reasons of why they went there.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 9:07 am to Datbayoubengal
Many are saying the guys behind the starters were overated. Just cant see all the recruiting services ranking these guys wrong. It has to be a combination of things. Football IQ, youth, work ethic, coaching. Figure out the order of those. It is concerning that backups don't get in the game much even in the blowouts.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 9:21 am to Mobiletiger
overrated by the coaches. I don't think LSU pays any attention to the rankings. so, simply put, LSU just missed out on the evaluation of these players. that's a lot of dts to miss on. time for a new dt coach.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 1:03 pm to rzd30
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The number one problem with all of LSU's problems this year stem from one thing.... youth
How does that explain that the most veteran and experienced group on the team, the OL, is really struggling, yet the youngest and most inexperienced group, the WRs, seems to be doing well? Also, the LB corps is made us several guys who have been in the program at least 3 years. However none have made much of an impact.
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Too many young guys right now on the D-Line, give them time, I gurantee you in 2 years the D-Line will be the strength of the defense
Maybe (hopefully). There are some veteran DL on this team that just simply don't see the field. Last year the DL was avg. (at best) and thin in depth, yet only 1 of the vaunted 2013 DL class saw regular playing time. This season the DL as a whole is even worse AND you're still seeing guys from the 2013 class that can't get on the field. Hell, a true Freshman may be LSU's best DT. The starting DE's have each been in the program at least 3 years, yet their production has been "hit and miss".
Certainly LSU experienced some big-time attrition in the front 7 over the last few years. The bigger problem however is that based on the production we've seen out of the front 7 over the last two years, it doesn't look like LSU has brought in a caliber of player good enough to replace what they lost. With every passing game it looks more and more like the big 2012 LB class is a bust, as well as the big 2013 DL class.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 1:10 pm to rzd30
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Out of LSU's 2 deep on defense 23/36 = 63% are underclassmen. Let that sink in. For Mississippi State it is only 9/24 = 37% are underclassmen.
Honestly I just skimmed the thread but I'm a math guy and I was just doing some calculations and according to my recent thesis on division if LSU has 36 players on their two-deep defense, that must mean we have 18 starters.
So that makes me like our chances moving forward. 18 can stop 11.
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