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re: Dominick McKinley's RPM has changed

Posted on 8/5/23 at 12:31 pm to
Posted by Midtiger farm
Member since Nov 2014
5126 posts
Posted on 8/5/23 at 12:31 pm to
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BK fricked up


Because he didn’t prevent his DL coach from almost dying?
Posted by GeauxLSUGeaux
1 room down from Erin Andrews
Member since May 2004
23445 posts
Posted on 8/5/23 at 12:39 pm to
McKinley camped at LSU the summer before his junior year and left without an offer. He then blew up based on his stats his junior year and measurables. I think he may be bitter about not getting an offer. And what’s worse is he was on campus before anyone knew who he was and they evaluated him and still didn’t get an offer? Jamar Cain is the one who dropped the ball and he’s not even here anymore.
Posted by GeauxVU
Member since Jan 2022
1113 posts
Posted on 8/5/23 at 1:34 pm to
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If you think LSU is just going to lay down and let Texas come in to drop money bags on Louisiana recruits to steal who they want you're pretty ignorant.


You're clearly not understanding what I'm saying, so let me clarify.

No, LSU isn't going to "lay down and let Texas come in and drop bags on recruits to steal them"... but whether you're an LSU booster, UT booster, or booster from any school, you didn't make your money by just throwing blank checks at kids.

There is a finite amount of value that a player has to a team and it doesn't help anyone's cause to overpay way above what other recruits are getting at that same position, because it resets the market and boosters aren't in the business of giving away their money.

And no one player is going to single handedly win a Natty, so if you exhaust your funds in one area, you're going to suffer in another (think NFL and overpaying a couple players, so you don't have enough for others - because there is a limit to what people will want to spend, and that's just the financial consideration - not even talking about locker room or anything else).

So while yes, getting the top recruits in LA is important and we don't ever want to see top guys leave the state, it will happen sometimes, so be prepared for it and understand that BK has the ability, resources and is building the culture to overcome just about everything, including missing on recruits here and there.
Posted by lsufanva
sandston virginia
Member since Aug 2009
12519 posts
Posted on 8/5/23 at 1:50 pm to
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The reality of the situation is that very few schools have a guy like Gordon McKernan whose business is making an absolute fortune AND he has the ability to justify massive NIL spending as an advertisement expense. The “Texas oil money” thing is funny to me because small oil companies in Texas aren’t dumping a ton of money into NIL because they can’t really justify it.


Every major university in the country(and most smaller ones) have a guy like Gordon. Don't mistake willingness with capability.
Oil companies don't have to advertise the oil company. But they do generally have other businesses tied into the oil companies monetarily that can be advertised. Besides, Texas has school sponsored collectives so the money can be donated that way or the old fashioned way of just washing it through something else. Rich people guise money transactions all the time. That's elementary stuff.

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If Texas and Texas A&M had as much money as they pretend


They're not pretending. They do indeed have all that money.
TAMs endowment(though irrelevant) is up there with the largest in the country. The people behind that still have money they apparently are more than eager to spend.
Texas has all those types of folks as well. If you need hard numbers to back up their prolificity then just Google highest earning athletic programs for the past 20 years. They'll be right there in the #1 spot. That money is equal to crumbs for all intents and purposes. War chest money in Texas.
Posted by Wadey
Member since Sep 2020
1515 posts
Posted on 8/5/23 at 2:29 pm to
It’s obvious kids going to Texas and their little sister school aren’t being developed. Bama, Georgia, and LSU are putting 5 to 10 kids in the league every year. What r these highly skilled kids thinking? Short term money, development and long term success should be what their parents are wanting.
Posted by GeauxVU
Member since Jan 2022
1113 posts
Posted on 8/5/23 at 2:46 pm to
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Short term money, development and long term success should be what their parents are wanting.


Different families and kids have different priorities. It’s all individualized. Education, proximity to home, opportunity to experience somewhere new/different, etc. There’s an infinite number of things.

That’s part of what makes recruiting so difficult. The staff not only has to see performance on the field + potential to develop, but understand the kid, his priorities, who the influencers are and how to best approach/interact with them all, amongst other things. It’s a complicated calculus. I don’t envy people in those roles, regardless of how much they make.
Posted by Geauxld Finger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
31832 posts
Posted on 8/5/23 at 5:02 pm to
He’s going to verbal to UT and will end up signing with LSU.
Posted by TigerBite
Dallas
Member since Feb 2004
2541 posts
Posted on 8/5/23 at 5:54 pm to
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He’s going to verbal to UT and will end up signing with LSU.


What’s your thesis on this? Is it that close and something (money, opportunity, team success, coaching) ultimately swings it back to us?
Posted by Geauxld Finger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
31832 posts
Posted on 8/5/23 at 11:20 pm to
I think selling him on LA and getting to be around guys like Smith and Wingo more will pay off. Texas has barely developed any NFL talent the last 5-7 years. LSU has.

Also they’ll sell him on repping the boot. If he goes to texas it’s simply for a bigger bag. The two programs are not even equals at the moment. Texas hasn’t done shite since Vince Young left.

He and Mack are a lot like Chase. Ultimately they’ll see the light at the end of the tunnel and realize LSU is the best place for their career. Come to work everyday and compete against the best. Iron sharpens iron. Texas can’t offer that. Not at this point in time anyway

Also our brand has massive start power right now. With Crews and Skenes, the women’s basketball team, Livvy Dunne, NFLSU, and all that. No ones athletic program is getting the star power right now that we are.
This post was edited on 8/5/23 at 11:24 pm
Posted by bengalmd
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2021
4555 posts
Posted on 8/5/23 at 11:24 pm to
Doesn’t seem like the kind of kid to play games or be wishy washy.
Posted by Geauxld Finger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
31832 posts
Posted on 8/5/23 at 11:25 pm to
He doesn’t have to be. LSU won’t lose him for lack of effort but I can tell you this. He won’t have half the career at texas that he would at lsu.
Posted by deepdeltatiger
Myrtle Grove
Member since Aug 2007
935 posts
Posted on 8/6/23 at 12:11 am to
No he doesn't. Sure hope he stays in Louisiana, has a successful college and professional career. LSU is a great choice for Dominick! Come on and rep the ??
Posted by deepdeltatiger
Myrtle Grove
Member since Aug 2007
935 posts
Posted on 8/6/23 at 12:11 am to
Boot
Posted by Tigersonfire
Pville
Member since Oct 2018
3027 posts
Posted on 8/6/23 at 12:24 am to
Gordon is just the appointed face of LSU money. Louisiana is one of the richest states in America. The state lives and breathes LSU football. LSU will be and always be in the money it’s not just Gordon. He’s just the face. LSU is rich we are the Yankees of college baseball now. Hell we even bought the best two women’s basketball transfers in the nation. To think we do all that and can’t “buy” the RIGHT football players is ignorant. BK wants certain players and will get WHO HE WANTS. Trust him and if he’s wrong he’ll be gone. LSU bought out a coach for 17 million dollars and signed one to a 100 million dollar contract. Anyone that thinks LSU isn’t in the top 5 of the arms race is literally stupid and blind.
Posted by GeauxVU
Member since Jan 2022
1113 posts
Posted on 8/6/23 at 8:13 am to
Oh boy....

Going to start off by saying I love LSU athletics and am happy we have people willing to invest in the program through TAF, NIL or other means, but there's so much wrong here...

A) By any objective metric, Louisiana is most definitely NOT one of the richest states in the country (median income, total GDP, GDP per capita, GDP growth, personal income growth, etc.... and if you don't trust me, check out the links below...)

LINK 1 LINK 2 LINK 3

B) Louisiana also has far fewer "rich" people than most states... also see below.

LINK 4 LINK 5

That said, yes, there are plenty of rich LSU alumni / boosters (whether they live in- or outside of Louisiana).

BUT, you do not "buy" players... they're human beings, not a play thing you get off the shelf at a toy store. While money is one component that goes into their decision, there's 1000 other things that could drive them to come to LSU or any other school (family, culture, relationships, academics, prestige, proximity to home, status of the program, ability to elevate them to the next level... it's endless).

So the insinuation that we'd just plunk down a check from one of the "rich" people in Louisiana and it's all taken care of is ludicrous. Not to mention completely downplays any and everything the staffs of all teams do to carefully identify and target the right players.

If you truly believe the only thing that matters is money, then you belong at aTm with their 2022 recruiting class - ya know the one that was tabbed as the "best of all time" and was going to lead them to the promised land... how has that worked out for them?
Posted by GeauxLSU4
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2012
10656 posts
Posted on 8/6/23 at 8:17 am to
Louisiana is far from being one of the richest states in the country, however, we have plenty to remain competitive in the NIL space. LSU fans and alumni all around the country are prideful about this football program will not fall behind the others who possess endless supplies of money like the Texas schools, USCw etc. And unlike others, we move off someone or something that isn’t working rather than doubling down or extending for the sake of it. This is a top 3 job in America. Resources, facilities, fan support, recruiting base are all as good as it gets. You don’t leave Notre Dame if it’s not.
Posted by Tigerlaff
FIGHTING out of the Carencro Sonic
Member since Jan 2010
20946 posts
Posted on 8/6/23 at 9:59 am to
quote:

Louisiana is one of the richest states in America

Posted by KWL85
Member since Mar 2023
1252 posts
Posted on 8/6/23 at 10:32 am to
You may be correct, but I didn't think there was ever that high of confidence (83%) that we would get him. He has always been hard to read. Doesn't seem to like the recruiting game. I sure hope we get him. Am concerned about where we are with DT recruiting. It usually works out, but definitely need to restock. Will lose Smith, Wingo and possibly more after this season.
Posted by deepdeltatiger
Myrtle Grove
Member since Aug 2007
935 posts
Posted on 8/6/23 at 11:46 am to
In the end, that's why I think he makes the best decision, stays home, and plays for LSU. Following in the footsteps of 2 guys playing in the league, we need him and both sides benefit!
Posted by SLAP99
Houston
Member since Jan 2013
254 posts
Posted on 8/6/23 at 12:07 pm to
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By any objective metric, Louisiana is most definitely NOT one of the richest states in the country (median income, total GDP, GDP per capita, GDP growth, personal income growth, etc.... and if you don't trust me, check out the links below...)

LINK 1 LINK 2 LINK 3

B) Louisiana also has far fewer "rich" people than most states... also see below.

LINK 4 LINK 5



No links needed, just need to drive 5 feet.
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