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re: Dedan Thomas Jr.

Posted on 4/12/26 at 9:35 am to
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 4/12/26 at 9:35 am to
I liked what Reece did in spurts last year. He’ll never be the offensive force Thomas is, and that’s ok mingy.
Posted by JR Hamilsbach
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Posted on 4/12/26 at 10:00 am to
I think Thomas is the player most associated with McMahon since he was the prized recruit who was going to turn it around so probably best for him to start fresh somewhere else. He was the best player on the tea last year, but I did question his grit and toughness. I think Wade could have coached him up if he stayed and bought in.

I’m surprised he went to Houston bc those teams are tough and gritty too, which I perceive as misaligned with his style. With that being said, I believe his growth would be best to improve in that capacity so here’s to him buying in to the Houston program and to be a complete player.

Would have loved him to do that here, but with all the extenuating circumstances prob best for him and maybe everyone to fully cut ties and move on.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 4/12/26 at 10:08 am to
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I’m surprised he went to Houston bc those teams are tough and gritty too


*and talented, which is the formative trait for all good teams

Guy is just good at creating offense efficiently. If he stays healthy we’ll all see that
This post was edited on 4/12/26 at 10:12 am
Posted by Circle K Beggar
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Posted on 4/12/26 at 10:39 am to
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I'm not sure yet, but I do lean your way. We are seeing DJ much closer to his ceiling than Reece. I think ultimately, Reece ends up being the better player, though that is very speculative on my part.


Agree with this. I’ll have to look up Thomas’ freshman year stats but I’m looking at it from a freshman year to freshman year perspective. I am by no means saying that Thomas is not a good player (quite the opposite actually). I just think that Reece’s potential is high and if I could only choose one, I would take Reece based on what he could become.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 4/12/26 at 10:47 am to
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I would take Reece based on what he could become.



Which is dumb in the transfer portal era.

Guys with “potential” either never find it, or find it with another program.
Posted by Circle K Beggar
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Posted on 4/12/26 at 11:06 am to
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Guys with “potential” either never find it, or find it with another program.


You’re looking at it through a McMahon lens. McMahon developed nobody here but players can definitely develop over the course of a season.

Had you heard of Yaxel Lendeborg before this season?
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 4/12/26 at 11:48 am to
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Had you heard of Yaxel Lendeborg before this season?



That's my point. He is a 24yr old who has played for 3 different programs.

The original team rarely reaps the benefit of "developmental" players anymore.
Posted by JWill409
Beaumont, TX
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 4/12/26 at 3:47 pm to
You making uneducated statements like that, diminishes credibility. Anyways, this is such a bad conversation to have because I think Reece is solid, but I understand this is what comes with rehiring Wade. He either made a mistake by not keeping him, or some players just don’t want to play for him. My guess is, Wade let him walk. He is not Wade’s kind of PG. He will thrive with Sampson, who is a far superior coach anyway.
Posted by Circle K Beggar
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Posted on 4/12/26 at 3:52 pm to
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He either made a mistake by not keeping him, or some players just don’t want to play for him. My guess is, Wade let him walk. He is not Wade’s kind of PG. He will thrive with Sampson, who is a far superior coach anyway.


We get it. You don’t like Wade.
Posted by JWill409
Beaumont, TX
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 4/12/26 at 3:54 pm to
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Agree with this. I’ll have to look up Thomas’ freshman year stats but I’m looking at it from a freshman year to freshman year perspective. I am by no means saying that Thomas is not a good player (quite the opposite actually). I just think that Reece’s potential is high and if I could only choose one, I would take Reece based on what he could become.


Thomas was Rookie of the year in the MWC as well as an all conference player as a freshman. Not to mention averaging almost 14ppg. He’s not a guy that is a “scoring threat” per se, which is why he really doesn’t fit what Wade likes. I also don’t think he’s hit his potential yet, as a scorer, but he understands the game better than 99% of college PGs he’s very intelligent he doesn’t turn the ball over and he understands how to actually run point. This is what guys like Sampson value.
Posted by Circle K Beggar
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Posted on 4/12/26 at 4:01 pm to
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he understands the game better than 99% of college PGs


Again, how can this statement be verified?

quote:

This is what guys like Sampson value.


I would think most coaches value this. Even the last joke that was here. The difference between Sampson and the joke is that Sampson knows how to actually coach.
This post was edited on 4/12/26 at 4:02 pm
Posted by JWill409
Beaumont, TX
Member since Sep 2010
1642 posts
Posted on 4/12/26 at 4:25 pm to
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Again, how can this statement be verified?


Outside of knowing basketball, things like APG and APTO are indicators. He was #1 in the SEC in both categories.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 4/12/26 at 11:02 pm to
He wasn’t though, Acuff is the first player to lead the SEC in scoring and APG since The Pistol so you’re incorrect.
Posted by slutiger5
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Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:13 am to
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He wasn’t though, Acuff is the first player to lead the SEC in scoring and APG since The Pistol so you’re incorrect


Acuff was a late bloomer, typical to Calapari. Super smart to get offense setup and take over when needed.

Didn’t read all this thread, but dedan was sooo fast, close to tremont. Non conference built his brand. Look up Nwoko numbers for non conference. Wish him the best in Houston.
Posted by JWill409
Beaumont, TX
Member since Sep 2010
1642 posts
Posted on 4/13/26 at 8:21 am to
6.5 > 6.4

But what do I know.

He’s not in the same conversation as Acuff, but again, he lead the SEC in Assists and Assists per Turnover.
This post was edited on 4/13/26 at 8:23 am
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
69907 posts
Posted on 4/13/26 at 8:53 am to
6.5 vs Hammond and Delgado doesn’t mean he led the SEC. You need games to qualify, go look at the SEC leaders, he isn’t in there. Randy Livingston has by far the highest APG his first year at LSU (9.4) and played more conf games than DJ. He still didn’t lead the SEC in APG.
This post was edited on 4/13/26 at 8:57 am
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
69907 posts
Posted on 4/13/26 at 8:54 am to
Dedan is a very good player but he didn’t lead the SEC in assists
Posted by basiletiger
lafayette, la.
Member since Aug 2007
2540 posts
Posted on 4/13/26 at 8:56 am to
he's not a future NBA player.

Tremont Waters would eat his lunch and dinner and Tremont isn't in the league.
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Member since Oct 2007
72199 posts
Posted on 4/13/26 at 9:16 am to
Biggest thing is if the injured players who have injury history beyond even just this past season were going to stick around they werent going to get paid like a top player. Wade cant take that gamble on a Reed or Thomas.

If they want 7+ figures (probably I would imagine 2-3+ for Thomas), we cant put up that kind of dough for 2 players who have constantly had issues staying healthy in college. Reed has missed the last 2 seasons basically due to severe injuries. Thomas missed some games his last season at UNLV due to a foot injury which he reaggravated here and needed surgery on it to hope it can heal up 100% for next year now. Very high risk to give either of those 2 guys any significant amount of money and hinge a season on their success of staying healthy and playing at very high levels

Dedan is a proven higher level commodity over Reed, but again, just cant match that asking price if its an insane amount for a player who has been anything but healthy the past 2 seasons.

I'm sure if our PG is worse than Dedan next year and he stays healthy and makes a nice run at Houston we'll hear all about it, but nobody will even bring up Dedan if our PG is legit too or he gets hurt once again and misses games as a result.
This post was edited on 4/13/26 at 9:18 am
Posted by JWill409
Beaumont, TX
Member since Sep 2010
1642 posts
Posted on 4/13/26 at 9:18 am to
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6.5 vs Hammond and Delgado doesn’t mean he led the SEC. You need games to qualify, go look at the SEC leaders, he isn’t in there. Randy Livingston has by far the highest APG his first year at LSU (9.4) and played more conf games than DJ. He still didn’t lead the SEC in APG.



Ah, so moving the needle. Got it. So 6.4 > 6.5. No one said anything about Randy Livingston. Why are we bringing him up?
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