re: Dante Moore plans to enter the portal

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Yes, my exact words. You read the part in between what you highlighted right? Did you want me to spell out "by your logic" when it's implied?

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OK.. and what about this exchange?

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If this is true, then there’s no risk in bringing in a guy like Moore.

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There is if it's not a competition which it isn't.

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I don’t know, man. All I can tell you is that it looks to me (and likely to everyone else) as if you’re saying Nuss won’t have an opportunity to compete for the job if we bring in a high-level transfer.

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No, I'm saying that's the logic people are using to claim any transfer is superior. It's not logic at all.

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I don’t see a ton of people clamoring to bring a guy like Moore in and anoint him as the 2024 starter without even making him earn it in camp. Most are simply saying they’d love to have him on the roster and let the best man win. They might be giving you reasons they aren’t on the Nuss bus but that doesn’t mean anyone wants to just hand the job to someone else. It’s just a reason to bring someone else in.

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We have a presumptive starter

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A “presumptive starter” is not a returning starter. Regardless of whether you expected this much improvement from Daniels in year 2, he was one of (if not the) most experienced QBs in the SEC going into this year. Most folks (outside of the vocal contingent on tRant who wanted him benched) expected him to be one of the better quarterbacks in the conference this year. While Nuss is experienced by backup standards, he’s nowhere near as much of a known commodity as JD was going into this year.

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and a backup at the same level Nuss was year 1 of JD.

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1) That’s just not true. They were both going into their RS freshman years, but that’s where the similarities end. Collins has only attempted 2 passes, against Grambling. Nussmeier had played a quarter against Ole Miss and almost the entire game against Arkansas, plus garbage time in a couple of cupcake games earlier in the year. He had seen way more game action than Collins.

2) Even if they did have the same amount of experience, you gonna tell me you think Collins is as good as Nussmeier? I mean.. maybe he is, but I don’t know how anyone can say that with confidence.

3) None of the above matters because we also had Myles Brennan in 2022 spring camp. In fact - if you really want a comparison for 2024, it’s not much different than 2022 was before Daniels transferred in.

In 2022 you had a veteran with starting experience who had showed a lot of potential before his injury in Myles Brennan. You had a RS Fr who looked promising the prior year in Nussmeier. And you had true Fr Walker Howard. The thought at the time was that Brennan and Nuss would be competing for the job. Then we brought Daniels in.

In 2024 we have a RS Jr in Nussmeier who has shown flashes but never started, a RS Fr in Collins who we haven’t really seen at all, and true FR Hurley. I would argue that the QB room going into 2022 felt much better than this one, and we still took a transfer.

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A bigger concern which is probably what Shea was discussing would be pushing out Underwood if you bring in a guy who is the presumptive starter after Nuss.

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Putting aside all of the talk about “presumptive starters,” the Underwood point is the only thing that concerns me about bringing a transfer in. Obviously we don’t want to scare that guy off before he steps foot on campus, and I’m sure it’s a major focus of Kelly & staff.

I don’t know if any of this really matters, because I would assume the QB room will play a big part in where Moore decides to go anyway. But the kid gloves with Nussmeier are silly. If he’s as good as people think, it’ll take care of itself.

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Nonsense. If a guy with little eligibility transfers in it's only because they got guarantees.

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When I called you out for saying this you tried to argue that it wasn’t what you meant.

I don’t think for a second that Kelly is going to guarantee anyone the starting job. Therefore, I don’t think that any veteran QB we get in the portal will have received guarantees.

This makes it less likely to get a veteran QB from the portal. It does not, however, mean that any veteran QB we do get from the portal will be guaranteed the job.

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When I called you out for saying this you tried to argue that it wasn’t what you meant.

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I didn't mean it toward Moore. I do mean it toward KJ Jefferson or Cam Ward or anyone with 1 year remaining.

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If BK and Denbrock and Sloan decide he’s our best bet and guarantee him the job, then trust them.

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Nuss was never promised the job, just the opportunity to compete.

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Does not compute. Also I never said people can't have opinions. You're literally telling me I can't have a reaction to those opinions.

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I didn't mean it toward Moore. I do mean it toward KJ Jefferson or Cam Ward or anyone with 1 year remaining.

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Why are you even talking about KJ? You keep talking about not wanting to guarantee someone the starter job, in a thread about Dante Moore. People keep telling you Kelly isn’t going to guarantee anyone the job. And your response is “what about KJ Jefferson”? How does that even make sense in the context of this thread?

You also keep saying you’re fine with Dante Moore “as a backup.” To which I would say.. no shite.

I don’t know if you’re missing the point or just ignoring it. If a guy like Dante Moore is interested and he’s willing to compete, you go get him (barring any drastic implications with Underwood). If Moore then becomes the starter, it doesn’t mean he was guaranteed the job (just like it didn’t mean Daniels was guaranteed the job in 2022). It just means the coaches thought he was the best option at the end of camp.

It’s really a win/win. If Nussmeier wins, you have a fantastic backup who will continue to push Nussmeier through fall camp and beyond. If Moore wins and Nuss transfers, you aren’t any worse off than you were before. If anything you’re better off because the guy you kept is the one the coaches felt better about.

Also, I would dispute the idea that no QB with little eligibility is going anywhere without guarantees. The coaches might be telling them “we feel very strongly that you can be our starter” but anyone who makes outright promises like that is an idiot. I’m sure there are some coaches who will do this but I doubt it’s the majority at P5 universities.

That said, I do believe that guys like KJ are paying very close attention to the rosters at prospective schools. He might not go anywhere where he doesn’t feel very good about winning the job. Which might scare him away from a school like LSU. But - again - that doesn’t mean that any veteran QB transfer was guaranteed the job if they come here.

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How does that even make sense in the context of this thread?

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Because the topic is transfer QBs in general. This discussion started in the KJ thread I think was over on the rant.

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If anything you’re better off because the guy you kept is the one the coaches felt better about.

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Perhaps, but the coaches can make mistakes. Would really suck to watch Nuss light it up somewhere else after getting screwed here then have the guy he was screwed for underperform.

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I’m sure there are some coaches who will do this but I doubt it’s the majority at P5 universities.

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I disagree. Unless as you said you outright trick a guy which is kind of gross in itself. This is their livelihood and future. At the end of the day you still need to be a decent human being.

I think NIL makes this even more likely to be the case because who is paying a guy a million dollars to come without a guarantee that guy starts. So now you gotta promise the transfer and the person funding the NIL. You think they will keep giving money if they offer a million to a kid to get him here and the coach never even starts them? Not to mention there'd probably be no shot at a competition whether the job was promised or not. Nuss himself would be foolish not to immediately transfer if such a guy is announced. At that point he's gambling his own future on the off chance no promises were made. Also that you can beat out a guy the coaches clearly want more than you who has experience you were never given an opportunity to gain. Beyond Nuss this again leads to a transfer QBs will always start scenario outside a fluke year with nobody worth shite in the portal and a young guy on the roster gets super lucky.

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Dante Moore doesn’t need your pocket change. His family has made a fortune selling beef stew. Mmmm!

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Someone else beat you to that joke, but props.

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I love the appeal to authority fallacy, but it's still fallacious reasoning. The Daniels example is cherry picking one where it worked out.

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It’s not cherry picking when it’s literally the only example we have with this staff.

I’m done arguing about it, I only jumped in because you were going around calling everyone imbeciles for suggesting we might want to pursue a talented transfer QB. At this point nobody is changing their mind, so

I’ve tried to tell him that. He thinks we need to be loyal to the guy who waited his turn instead of pushing Nuss to be the best version of himself.

It would make BK look like a “bad guy” if Nuss doesn’t win the job because he deserves it for loyalty according to him.