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Posted on 7/8/24 at 11:59 am to boweswi05
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At the very least he will the get the recruits here.
This is exactly what he hasn’t done so far
Posted on 7/8/24 at 12:00 pm to Jim Hopper
Didn’t Kelly dismiss McGlothern? Then didn’t Flott leave after Raymond was gone?
I don’t think you can completely pin Kelly’s secondary woes on CR.
I don’t think you can completely pin Kelly’s secondary woes on CR.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 12:09 pm to bayouboo
quote:Yes, but Mcglothern dismissed himself for not accepting a culture change. His character flaws is a reason he went undrafted and why he never played on a winning team in his 4 years of college. Depth wise you can completely pin Raymond misses on Kelly need to hit the portal hard his first two years.
Didn’t Kelly dismiss McGlothern? Then didn’t Flott leave after Raymond was gone? I don’t think you can completely pin Kelly’s secondary woes on CR.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 12:09 pm to TrueTiger07
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Raymond was a lazy hire.
Not true… Kelly was the one who drug out the hiring of Raymond for almost a month.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 12:16 pm to OJsLifeCoach
Some still think CR is a great recruiter, but is getting outspent.
If recruiters are simply glorified bankers under NIL, what difference it now makes that he was once considered a "great recruiter"?
And , under this new regime, doesn't being a great coach/ developer mean a whole lot?
Who still considers Raymond a great db coach?
If recruiters are simply glorified bankers under NIL, what difference it now makes that he was once considered a "great recruiter"?
And , under this new regime, doesn't being a great coach/ developer mean a whole lot?
Who still considers Raymond a great db coach?
Posted on 7/8/24 at 12:28 pm to Jim Hopper
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but the secondary mess that Kelly was left with was under Raymond watch.
They all transferred after Corey got let go
Posted on 7/8/24 at 12:34 pm to king47
Frank is a big reason Raymond is back on the staff.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 12:39 pm to nitwit
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Who still considers Raymond a great db coach
I do. He’s one of the best DB coaches ever in CFB. Had a rough go at Florida, but that entire program isn’t looking good.
You can’t say he’s a bad coach when he’s put, without researching, 8? DBs into the NFL, all of whom possess great 1v1 coverage technique.
The dude knows how to coach man coverage. It’s not deniable. Roster is thin at DB, though.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 1:08 pm to friendlyobservation
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Frank is a big reason Raymond is back on the staff.
I thought it was something like that. I just knew Kelly isn’t completely to blame
Posted on 7/8/24 at 1:16 pm to SulphursFinest
Seems to me that the evidence shows he was once a great recruiter, and got multiple NFL talents to LSU. That reputation fed on itself .
If he was ever a great coach, he seems to have forgotten how....
If he was ever a great coach, he seems to have forgotten how....
Posted on 7/8/24 at 2:12 pm to nitwit
He coached multiple 3-4 star DBs into NFL DBs. Explain to me how the reputation fed on itself. You don’t just forget how to coach 1v1 technique lmao.
When he was at LSU, we had corners going on islands with no safety help and thriving. That’s coaching.
When he was at LSU, we had corners going on islands with no safety help and thriving. That’s coaching.
This post was edited on 7/8/24 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 7/8/24 at 2:15 pm to SulphursFinest
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He’s one of the best DB coaches ever in CFB.
How long is this list?
Posted on 7/8/24 at 2:15 pm to lsufanva
How dumb is this question?
Posted on 7/8/24 at 2:38 pm to boweswi05
For all practical purposes, LSU got one season each out of Ricks, Stingley and Joseph.
Joseph played in 11 games as a freshman and left for Kentucky. Ricks played in 10 with four interceptions but just six with 1 interception as a sophomore that departed for Alabama. Singley was brilliant in 2019 with 15 starts and six interceptions. Over the next two years, he played in a total of 10 games and not a single interception.
Joseph played in 11 games as a freshman and left for Kentucky. Ricks played in 10 with four interceptions but just six with 1 interception as a sophomore that departed for Alabama. Singley was brilliant in 2019 with 15 starts and six interceptions. Over the next two years, he played in a total of 10 games and not a single interception.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 3:03 pm to Captain Crown
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The momentum is with Oregon right now. Going to be a long two weeks.
Don't mind me. I'm just here to tamp down the expectations.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 5:01 pm to SulphursFinest
Same way the game passes many coaches. NCAA evolves and coaches have to evolve with that formula. Being able to navigate it isn't as easy. There's more to coaching than just being able to teach technique. You have to relate with the players and they have to like you as well.
To Raymond's credit he sustained what Cooper built and did a very good job of talent evaluation and recruiting. However, when he started using bargaining chips constantly to get raises from LSU his secondaries began to really drop off.
His secondary performances haven't been impressive the past 8 years or so. Not only this his recruiting has fallen off which is his strength because it's a different era. You need coaching first recruiting second where in the past it was arguable they were both just as important. Kids have their hands out now before they care about the recruiting part.
I'm unsure if it was just him pulling his foot off the pedal or him just not being as relatable in these scenarios but arguably everything has dropped off for him the past 8 years. We'll see how motivated his secondary is this season. I can see why BK gave him a short prove it contract.
To Raymond's credit he sustained what Cooper built and did a very good job of talent evaluation and recruiting. However, when he started using bargaining chips constantly to get raises from LSU his secondaries began to really drop off.
His secondary performances haven't been impressive the past 8 years or so. Not only this his recruiting has fallen off which is his strength because it's a different era. You need coaching first recruiting second where in the past it was arguable they were both just as important. Kids have their hands out now before they care about the recruiting part.
I'm unsure if it was just him pulling his foot off the pedal or him just not being as relatable in these scenarios but arguably everything has dropped off for him the past 8 years. We'll see how motivated his secondary is this season. I can see why BK gave him a short prove it contract.
This post was edited on 7/8/24 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 7/8/24 at 5:03 pm to boweswi05
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He will bring the secondary back.
I bet you the opposite. I don't hate Raymond but he's competing against NIL these days.
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The three years before Raymond left
We got the
#1 CB. Elias Ricks
#1 CB. Derek Stingley
#12 CB Kelvin Joseph
Stingley and Joseph were La kids.
Ricks came for Orgeron
Posted on 7/8/24 at 5:06 pm to WM88
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I bet you the opposite. I don't hate Raymond but he's competing against NIL these days.
Pickett's offer from LSU is just as high as Oregon's so thats no excuse
Posted on 7/8/24 at 5:48 pm to WM88
Ricks came from Cali,
“When the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor!” I’ll shhh you were on a roll
“When the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor!” I’ll shhh you were on a roll
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