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re: Cam Cameron watched Zachary QB Lindsey Scott dismantle another great Defense
Posted on 12/14/15 at 8:57 am to LSU_Saints_Hornets
Posted on 12/14/15 at 8:57 am to LSU_Saints_Hornets
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It is hard to follow you and your dumb arse rant. You talk shite and try to discredit Scott's abilities on the field. He was the best player in the state that is a FACT not some Louisiana homer bull shite you were blabbing about. I will take the word of those who have seen him play multiple times over some dumb arse in Mississippi.
Damn. Calm down.
I am not defending the staff's recruiting philosophies, their current scheme, or how they develop players. However, we have no impact on these things. They are the current reality at LSU. I am just going off of that. So, I don't disagree with what you are saying about Franks. Haskins was probably a better fit all along, but it doesn't really matter what we think.
As for Scott, I am NOT calling his ability into question. He has legit FBS offers, and from his stats, he is obviously the best QB in the state of LA this year. That may not make him a top Power 5 prospect, and I say that based on his current offer sheet, but that doesn't mean he isn't any good. But if Haskins is still in play, then taking him would be settling right now for LSU. Haskins is a BETTER FIT.
I also know this. We have a record-setting WR from the state of LA languishing on our bench and possibly about to transfer. That isn't because Quinn isn't any good. He is just a terrible fit in our system. Now, I think it is moronic that our staff put the hard sell on this guy and hasn't found a legit role for him in 2 years. This is the kind of thing that could burn some recruiting bridges in the future. HS coaches and players remember when things go wrong for a local player. But again, this is reality at LSU right now. If you aren't a perfect fit on offense, you don't pan out.
I just see Scott the same way. His skill set and build doesn't fit what Cam runs very well. It just doesn't. Do you really think this staff would shake things up and figure out how to use him effectively at QB? I certainly don't. Maybe they should sign him up and we can cross our fingers and hope we aren't running 65% of our offense from the I in 2 years, but if we are, Scott isn't the guy for that.
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Posted on 12/14/15 at 9:22 am to schwartzy
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Harvard offered this dude. He's smart as hell
good for the kid. Doesn't mean he would be a good fit or QB for LSU in any way because of it though.
Posted on 12/14/15 at 9:25 am to AshLSU
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If that's true, we have no chance of getting him. Guys got to know that he probably has next to 0% chance of making it to the NFL so I don't see him turning down a Harvard education to get one from LSU.
It is true, and that is my thought as well. The kid is smart enough to know to get a free Harvard education is way better than anything LSU can offer.
Posted on 12/14/15 at 9:34 am to Rabbs and QStick
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It is true, and that is my thought as well. The kid is smart enough to know to get a free Harvard education is way better than anything LSU can offer.
I saw Vandy on his offer sheet, too. That would offer the chance to play in the SEC and get the top flight education. Unfortunately, that offense is a dumpster fire and probably isn't getting better until they make a coaching change.
From a purely football perspective, I wish Memphis would offer him. That is my second team, since I'm from the area. Scott would be a great fit there, assuming the new staff runs a similar system, and that program is on better footing than Syracuse right now. The AAC has a deal with ESPN, so he would still have plenty of opportunity for air time. Paxton Lynch got plenty this year.
Posted on 12/14/15 at 9:47 am to TrueTigerTale
Been saying for two years, we need a QB that the coaches can trust handing the keys to. If we get a QB in that can run the offense without the coaches, and only use them for guidance instead of every decision, we will see a completely different looking offense.
Posted on 12/14/15 at 9:49 am to tigbit
Kid is a fool if he turns down a Harvard offer.
I am ok with LSU giving him an offer, but damn, a free Harvard education is invaluable. That is an opportunity you just don't pass up.
I am ok with LSU giving him an offer, but damn, a free Harvard education is invaluable. That is an opportunity you just don't pass up.
Posted on 12/14/15 at 9:51 am to misey94
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But if Haskins is still in play, then taking him would be settling right now for LSU
How in the hell would taking SCott have any effect at all on whether Haskins would come to LSU or not? You really think Haskins would be afraid to come if Scott committed? Taking Scott has no downside other than tieing up a spot in the class which we waste one or two each year on dubious commitments anyway.
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I just see Scott the same way. His skill set and build doesn't fit what Cam runs very well. It just doesn't.
How do you figure that. He seems to be an accurate passer which fits fine in our scheme. He has played out of a lot of shotgun which we are running more of and should be doing even more of in the future. He can turn around and handoff if we line up in the I. He seems like he would be very good at the option read. He is about perfect for our system if he could take what he does in high school and transfer it to the college level.
If it doesn't work out for him or LSu he could transfer same as Retting and Rivers did.
We need to start taking more QB's in the future just so we increase our odds of hitting on one that can play. It's to important a position to just take one here and there and hope that they aren't a bust.
Posted on 12/14/15 at 10:00 am to misey94
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If LSU has a legit shot with Haskins and writes him off early for a guy who many never be more than a project that is a bad for in our current offense, it would be supremely stupid.
again, how does getting a commitment from Scott effect Haskins decision on where to go? It's not like Scott is some imposing 4-5 star talent. We should take a flyer on Scott (if we can get him), getting him would effect any top quality QB's decision on whether to come to LSU or not and we need bodies at QB just to increase our odds of hitting on one.
Posted on 12/14/15 at 10:02 am to boxcar willie
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How do you figure that. He seems to be an accurate passer which fits fine in our scheme. He has played out of a lot of shotgun which we are running more of and should be doing even more of in the future. He can turn around and handoff if we line up in the I. He seems like he would be very good at the option read. He is about perfect for our system if he could take what he does in high school and transfer it to the college level.
The fact that we still run over half the offense out of I formation, that we use big linemen and keep the spacing tight, and run zone blocking. With a shorter QB and a big line, you have to create throwing lanes in the pocket, or roll guys out. We aren't really set up to block this way, and Cam doesn't roll Harris even though that seems like it would really got his skill set. If the staff would adjust, then maybe he could be very effective here. I just don't see how anyone can have faith in that after the last two years. And changing how the line blocks AGAIN after doing it twice in the last four years is not a minor adjustment.
I think it would be really smart if the staff built a system around the kinds of QBs that are more available in-state. That makes a lot of sense. Too much, evidently.
As for taking both Haskins and Scott, it isn't the end of the world, but 6 QBs (assuming Jennings doesn't transfer out) is a lot, especially considering we already have a project guy in McMillan. If we didn't already have him, taking Scott and another guy makes perfect sense.
If the staff feels like they can flip Narcisse with Franks gone to UF, then I just think they will take one this year and save room for next year. If they do take one, I hope it's Haskins based solely on his measurables fitting the current system. However, based on the staff's track record of going all-in on QBs, maybe the bird in the hand is better than waiting for next year. I'll give you that. I just don't have faith the staff will know what to do with Scott, and don't see how anyone could. If he did come here and they screw it up, that's two top LA players busting at the flagship state university in 4 years. That is a negative recruiting bonanza for the rest of the SEC West.
This post was edited on 12/14/15 at 10:09 am
Posted on 12/14/15 at 10:11 am to misey94
I think this was a good thread. There was a lot of thought in the posts. Everyone made good points. I see both sides of this issue. That is what makes recruiting, so difficult.
Posted on 12/14/15 at 10:25 am to misey94
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. But if Haskins is still in play, then taking him would be settling right now for LSU. Haskins is a BETTER FIT.
Yes you are correct, but a bird in the hand is better than two in the bush. We have a better shot at landing Scott up until a certain point. We should offer Scott and continue to pursue Haskins in the process. Most people are upset that we are willing to let this kid leave the state with out an offer from LSU and LSU needs to sign a QB this year.
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I also know this. We have a record-setting WR from the state of LA languishing on our bench and possibly about to transfer. That isn't because Quinn isn't any good. He is just a terrible fit in our system. Now, I think it is moronic that our staff put the hard sell on this guy and hasn't found a legit role for him in 2 years. This is the kind of thing that could burn some recruiting bridges in the future. HS coaches and players remember when things go wrong for a local player. But again, this is reality at LSU right now. If you aren't a perfect fit on offense, you don't pan out.
LSU does a good job at molding receivers for the the NFL that is a fact. They may not put up decent numbers but Sheppard, Boone and Paul Turner made it to the nfl and never really wowed while at LSU. Quinn will get his chance if he sticks with it. He has to trust the process.
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I just see Scott the same way. His skill set and build doesn't fit what Cam runs very well. It just doesn't. Do you really think this staff would shake things up and figure out how to use him effectively at QB? I certainly don't. Maybe they should sign him up and we can cross our fingers and hope we aren't running 65% of our offense from the I in 2 years, but if we are, Scott isn't the guy for that.
Someone said this before Herb Tyler was one of the most underrated and undersized LSU qb and he positioned us to win a lot of games. He stayed 4 years and started 3 years out of those 4. He won 4 bowl games while here at LSU. I say all this to say who knows how a Scott is going to perform until he steps on the field. Too many people invest so much stock into height. Scott is 5'11". Tyler was 6'. I am not saying this guy is the next Herb Tyler but to think he could have the same success is not far fetched.
Posted on 12/14/15 at 10:26 am to TheCaterpillar
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I am ok with LSU giving him an offer, but damn, a free Harvard education is invaluable. That is an opportunity you just don't pass up.
does harvard offer a full ride or just a reduced tuition?
Posted on 12/14/15 at 10:30 am to Duckie
quote:There are financial aid packages that would cover the cost. They do not offer "athletic" scholarships though.
does harvard offer a full ride or just a reduced tuition?
Posted on 12/14/15 at 10:30 am to MrWiseGuy
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I mean, I'm not leading a Cam campaign, but to call him an arse for watching from the boxes is petty
Cam WAS NOT IN THE DOME. Coach O, FRank, and Corey were. Coaches who had contact with anyone playing during the week, could not be at the game per NCAA regs.
Posted on 12/14/15 at 10:34 am to sjmabry
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There are financial aid packages that would cover the cost. They do not offer "athletic" scholarships though.
gotcha. I just wasn't sure what Harvard did. I know some Ivys only give a reduced tuition.
Posted on 12/14/15 at 10:37 am to monsterballads
I don't want to clutter up the roster with too many borderline QBs.
Harris, Jennings, Etling, McMillan.....I just don't see the need to take a QB just to take a QB.
Harris, Jennings, Etling, McMillan.....I just don't see the need to take a QB just to take a QB.
Posted on 12/14/15 at 10:39 am to misey94
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Damn. Calm down.
I am not defending the staff's recruiting philosophies, their current scheme, or how they develop players. However, we have no impact on these things. They are the current reality at LSU. I am just going off of that. So, I don't disagree with what you are saying about Franks. Haskins was probably a better fit all along, but it doesn't really matter what we think.
As for Scott, I am NOT calling his ability into question. He has legit FBS offers, and from his stats, he is obviously the best QB in the state of LA this year. That may not make him a top Power 5 prospect, and I say that based on his current offer sheet, but that doesn't mean he isn't any good. But if Haskins is still in play, then taking him would be settling right now for LSU. Haskins is a BETTER FIT.
I also know this. We have a record-setting WR from the state of LA languishing on our bench and possibly about to transfer. That isn't because Quinn isn't any good. He is just a terrible fit in our system. Now, I think it is moronic that our staff put the hard sell on this guy and hasn't found a legit role for him in 2 years. This is the kind of thing that could burn some recruiting bridges in the future. HS coaches and players remember when things go wrong for a local player. But again, this is reality at LSU right now. If you aren't a perfect fit on offense, you don't pan out.
I just see Scott the same way. His skill set and build doesn't fit what Cam runs very well. It just doesn't. Do you really think this staff would shake things up and figure out how to use him effectively at QB? I certainly don't. Maybe they should sign him up and we can cross our fingers and hope we aren't running 65% of our offense from the I in 2 years, but if we are, Scott isn't the guy for that.
I agree with about 80% of what you say. I make another point. The key is offered by Harvard, Colgate, and being recruited by Dartmouth and Wake Forest. It is possible that the lack of interest is mutual. The Harvard visited twice in the last two weeks. It's nice to support the hometown baller. We need to be prepared or consider the possibility, that academics are more important to this kid and his family.
This post was edited on 12/14/15 at 10:42 am
Posted on 12/14/15 at 10:55 am to tigerfoot
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I just don't see the need to take a QB just to take a QB.
depth?
Posted on 12/14/15 at 11:00 am to misey94
Okay, one more time. QBS DO NOT SEE OVER THE LINE. They all see between passing lanes. Russell Wilson's starting OL:
LT 6'5 LG 6'6" RG 6'5 RT 6'5" - (Centers a typically shorter anyway).
RW takes lots of snaps under center. Now I'm not saying that he's RW. But that what you see from the pocket is what you see. If I'm 6'2, im not going see over a 6'6 lineman either. I need passing lanes to see. It just sounds logical to reason that he can't "throw over" a line. And I understand that many of us on this board probably never played football, and even fewer played QB. But his height doesnt limit him. Coaches perception of the effects of his does.
LT 6'5 LG 6'6" RG 6'5 RT 6'5" - (Centers a typically shorter anyway).
RW takes lots of snaps under center. Now I'm not saying that he's RW. But that what you see from the pocket is what you see. If I'm 6'2, im not going see over a 6'6 lineman either. I need passing lanes to see. It just sounds logical to reason that he can't "throw over" a line. And I understand that many of us on this board probably never played football, and even fewer played QB. But his height doesnt limit him. Coaches perception of the effects of his does.
Posted on 12/14/15 at 11:03 am to LSU_Saints_Hornets
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Yes you are correct, but a bird in the hand is better than two in the bush. We have a better shot at landing Scott up until a certain point. We should offer Scott and continue to pursue Haskins in the process. Most people are upset that we are willing to let this kid leave the state with out an offer from LSU and LSU needs to sign a QB this year.
I actually agree now. All this debate has talked me into it, if for no other reason that I become more cynical about the offensive staff they more we go back and forth. It probably does make more sense to just take him than go chasing again.
Understand that I'm being more of a devil's advocate here. I don't like a lot of what our coaching staff does, but we are probably stuck with all of them for at least another 2 years. I am predicating all of my arguments on what they do, not necessarily on what I want or wish they would do.
As for the Herb Tyler argument, I don't think he would be successful with this staff, either. As I said earlier (maybe in the other thread), DiNardo and Watts did a very good job of putting him in positions to succeed. They opened up space for throwing lanes in the pocket, but relied more on rollouts to throw. They put him in space where his height wasn't a liability, and brought his running threat into the passing game. Why the hell we don't already do this more now with Harris is beyond me.
However, I get what you are saying. There is plenty of proof that you can win with a shorter QB. You just have to adapt to them and create opportunities for them to read the field and throw. I just don't think this staff will do those things.
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