re: Caleb Williams

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Go watch Williams' junior highlight video, then watch Nussmeier's junior highlight video, and it is obvious Nussmeier is the better QB.

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Nussmeiers highlight video is very impressive, more so than Williams, but it is just a highlight video. People who do this for a living and who have seen much more of them than just highlight videos seem to think Williams is on a whole higher level than Nuss. I'm not going to base my opinion just based off a highlight video.

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If Williams is actually better than Nussmeier, it isn't apparent from watching their respective junior highlight videos. Nonetheless, that's what I'm going by because that's all I have to go buy.

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but you do have more to base your opinion on than just the highlight videos, you also have the recruit services, such as 247 and the composite, who both have Williams rated higher. Maybe take both the highlight videos and the recruit services into account to help form your opinion.

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I'm not going to base my opinion just based off a highlight video.

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I didn't base my opinion just based on their highlight videos. I also read an article on 247 Sports this past January that said that Caleb Williams passed for 19 touchdowns, scored another 18 touchdowns via the run, and had only a slightly below 56 percent completion rate in his 8 & 3 junior season.

Meanwhile, Nussmeier threw for 38 touchdowns with a 67 percent completion rate in his 11 & 2 junior season.

Moreover, unlike you, I don't discount highlight videos cause those are videos under live action. Thus, they clearly indicate how a prospect reacts under various game situations.

And what I observed from watching both prospects highlight videos is that when under intense pressure, Caleb Williams is more than likely to take off running the ball rather than scrambling and passing the ball. Which is why approximately 75 percent of his highlight video consists of him running the ball.

Nussmeier, in similar situations, on the other hand, looked very poised and very much like Joe Burrow does to me in that he would scramble inside the pocket or outside the pocket and with his eyes down the field and then pass his way out of trouble.

Plus, Nussmeier's off-platform throws on the run and when under pressure, looked to me to be more accurate relative to William's similar throws. As Nussmeier has a far better pocket presence relative to Williams, in my humble opinion. I mean when you watch each prospect's respective highlight videos, Nussmeier appears to me to be the much more polished QB out of the two of them.

Now, on the other hand, Williams is the better runner between the two of them. However, LSU needs a QB who can get the ball out to the playmakers in space. A QB who would take off running the ball every time he felt pressure like Jalen Hurts would be okay for a team like the Oklahoma Sooners but at the same time, would be very self-defeating for a team like LSU with their new high-octane offense. Not to mention that Williams isn't going to be able to run the ball all the time in college football as he did in high school because the overall quality of the athletes and the quality of the coaching in college football are exponentially far better.

You can't see any of that when QBs are throwing at prospect camps or when playing in 7 on 7 competitions because all of those throws are not made under any kind of duress or pressure.

Now knowing that the most important aspect for most good QB coaches when evaluating talented QB prospects is passing accuracy, I also assess Nussmeier to be a significantly more accurate passer relative to Williams as well and as indicated by each prospect's respective statistics at the same time.

Furthermore, in interviews when Nussmeier is asked what the LSU coaching staff is telling him, he says they are telling him that he reminds them a lot of Joe Burrow. Which is what I see also when I watch him as well.

Now let me end this post by saying that I'm not averse to accepting Williams' commitment should he commit to LSU. As the ideal situation would be for both of them to commit to LSU in this recruiting class. However, that said, I think LSU has a very uphill battle on their hands for Williams. As ever since Brock Vandagriff de-committed from Oklahoma and then committed to UGA instead, Williams has been publicly stating that Oklahoma has always been his dream school.

Hence, it sort of looks to me like he always wanted to go to Oklahoma but was going to settle for LSU cause Vandagriff was already committed to Oklahoma and all of that changed for him once Vandagriff de-committed from Oklahoma and then committed to UGA.

No one knows that Williams is better than Nuss . Only time will tell . Rankings don’t mean shite when moving to the next level (especially the SEC). The only statement I can say is that Nuss probably faced tougher competition in high school than Williams . Other than that is anyone’s guess . Both will be good wherever they land .

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Everyone is saying that Nuss is amazing and his film is better than Williams. How come the scouts and people on the recruiting sites think there are 6 better pro style prospects than Nuss?

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Because they have seen more of them than just highlight videos so they have a whole lot more to go on than most the posters on this board who only know the highlight videos and a few stats.

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FWIW I think Nuss is a monster and I think the recruiting sites are underrating him, why I have no clue. According to 24/7 composite he’s the 7th best pro style and the 12th overall qb.

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wouldn't be surprised if Nuss moved up in the rankings either. His highlights look way better than someone who is the 12th ranked HS QB.

WOW! Man on a mission.

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Because they have seen more of them than just highlight videos so they have a whole lot more to go on than most the posters on this board who only know the highlight videos and a few stats.

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That's just flat out ludicrous. As highlight videos show the prospects in actual live game action and conditions and as such reveals far more about a respective prospect's strengths and weaknesses than any other measures. I mean, there just isn't anything better than live game actions when it comes to evaluating respective prospects. Indeed, what are you smoking?

I mean throwing in camps when prospects are not under any live game conditions doesn't reveal anything about the prospects other than some prospects throw far better under camp situations than they throw under live game conditions. As that kind of information is next to worthless. Give me a freaking break.

The same goes for throwing in 7 on 7 competitions. As some prospects are astronomically far better in 7 on 7 conditions than they are under live game conditions. Big freaking deal. Who cares?

Meanwhile, under live game conditions, which you can see only from highlight videos, you can see it all. You can see their footwork, there throwing motions from the pocket and from outside the pocket, you can see if they are capable of reading defenses or not, you can see how or if they go through their progressions. As some of them do, but more of them don't do it or don't do it adequately. You can see how elusive they are in the pocket and how elusive they are outside the pocket, you can evaluate their overall pocket presence. You can see their off-platform throws inside the pocket and outside the pocket, you can see how they react to pressure, you can see how accurate they are under live game conditions, and you can see if they are capable runners or not capable runners.

As for how players perform under live game conditions is the ultimate way to evaluate prospects because that's all that matters. As it provides the most pertinent information regarding how good or bad respective prospects are likely to be. As you can see what are the prospects' strengths and what are their weaknesses.

Meanwhile, you can't assess any of that valuable information from observing QBs throwing at camps or in 7 on 7 competitions.

You made a point when you responded to me, but you made a point that confirmed you are utterly clueless. Congratulations.

Obviously Nussmeier plays against good competition in TX. But Williams has played against pretty tough competition, too, including DeMatha & St John's (MD)...the DC-area Catholic league is a major talent pipeline...Don Bosco (NJ), and a couple of nationally known programs in FL.

They still were both 4 stars

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They still were both 4 stars

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Coaches never look at recruiting services' rankings. In fact, they couldn't care less. As they have been trained to become expert evaluators of talent.

Are the recruiting services always correct? If they were always reliable, the coaches wouldn't even bother to evaluate players. They would just recruit the players according to the star ratings put out by the recruiting services and the fact that they don't do that, tells us a lot about their star ratings and rankings.

Are the recruiting services always right? The answer is no. Are the recruiting services always wrong? The answer again is no.