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re: Are we really losing ground in recruiting or have our players been undervalued?
Posted on 6/9/12 at 4:48 pm to Toughcrittercrumb1
Posted on 6/9/12 at 4:48 pm to Toughcrittercrumb1
That's badass. Miller wasn't ranked much higher coming out of high school anyway
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Posted on 6/9/12 at 4:50 pm to RonSwanson
Op did an awesome job of being selective with this site rankings
Posted on 6/9/12 at 8:30 pm to RummelTiger
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The overall opinion is that I could give a frick what our class ranking is, as long as we're competing for SEC titles.
I would tend to agree with you but last year SI had an interesting take on the NC hunt when asked why it was picking Bama over LSU. It simply came down to a recuiting class rating. When a team has pulled the top class in three of five years it has resulted in multiple NC's for that team. It happened at USCw,Fla, and now Bama.
So beware. Bama pulled another top level class last year and will do probably as good this year. What that means for us is a greater degree of difficulty to make the NC hunt as long as we have to keep playing those SOB's who are getting a higher rated class than us.
Posted on 6/9/12 at 9:04 pm to GetmorewithLes
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When a team has pulled the top class in three of five years it has resulted in multiple NC's for that team. It happened at USCw,Fla, and now Bama
Technically, USCw has no participant-sanctioned NC's in the BCS era. None. In fact, USCw has never officially participated in any designated National Championship Game in its history. Even the loss to Texas was vacated. The BCS allowed Texas to keep its Crystal Football, though the game itself was stricken from the record book.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 12:48 am to BozoBus
Louisiana and to a lesser extent, Mississippi, are both very underrated when it comes to football talent. Get the best 15 players in the state combined with some OOS talent and you will have a great class every year.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 1:11 am to omegaman66
"Also Les Miles and company are better at evaluating talent than the scout, rivals etc. Not really a knock on them as they evaluate everyone (or try to cough cough Jr College) with a staff about the size of only a handful. Our coaches actually deeply dissect each players game."
Very well said. I told somebody the exact same thing today. I trust that our coaches know more about evaluating talent and what kind of player they want for our system than a some guy that works for Rivals or Scout. You just have to have faith in our staff and they have done nothing to give us a reason not to trust them up to this point.
Someone posted a thread a few weeks back of the reactions that were on this board when guys like Mo Claiborne, TM7 and guys like that committed. Everyone was like, Who? WTH are our coaches thinking? haha////Our staff has it under control
Very well said. I told somebody the exact same thing today. I trust that our coaches know more about evaluating talent and what kind of player they want for our system than a some guy that works for Rivals or Scout. You just have to have faith in our staff and they have done nothing to give us a reason not to trust them up to this point.
Someone posted a thread a few weeks back of the reactions that were on this board when guys like Mo Claiborne, TM7 and guys like that committed. Everyone was like, Who? WTH are our coaches thinking? haha////Our staff has it under control
Posted on 6/10/12 at 5:30 am to Toughcrittercrumb1
According to Rival's star rankings Florida should still be winning the SEC.(see their 2007, 2008, and 2010 class)
Posted on 6/10/12 at 8:43 am to Toughcrittercrumb1
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This season ESPN has us at 13th.
I have lost a lot of faith in ESPN. I think their tack is always about ratings and "controversies." I certainly think they pander to some schools, and I think they definitely have their favorites. I don't think Miles is one of them.
I remember when we offered Tyrann Mathieu. I thought it was a mistake. He had no respect from the recruiting services. He was barely rated. He was undersized, and it certainly looked like a waste of a scholarship. He goes to a camp, and thank God, people who know more about football than 99% of the people on this board see things that make him look like a good fit.
I think that talent is one thing, and talent is overrated to some degree. It's about your work ethic, your ability to learn, your "coachability," and your devotion to the team and the greater good. Think about it. Haven't you ever been to a high school reunion where you looked around the room, and the hotshot high school eighteen year old there didn't find a cure for cancer while the non-descript nobodies are running businesses and bigger successes than you ever imagined they would be? What worries me more than the talent is how do we play them all and keep them happy?
Feel free to ignore this.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 9:38 am to willeteal
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However, LSU has recruited top ten classes generally, and seems to have developed those classes very well overall. Outside of the QB position, you hear people saying almost every year that LSU has as much talent as anyone in the country.
1. A lot of that goes to Moffitt
Yes. Moffitt is the man behind the man. I attribute all of LSU's successes to his talent development skills. The program descends to Hallman levels without his leadership
Posted on 6/10/12 at 9:46 am to Toughcrittercrumb1
Rivals lost some respect last year. They didn't count 3 lsu players towards rankings and had Louisiana players ranked wrong because they lost a scout specifically covers la. some Austin based joker trying to cover la. I have always thought scout was most accurate and fair. I follow the main 3; scout, 247, and rivals. Espn, maxpreps, etc are a complete joke.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 9:50 am to GetmorewithLes
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When a team has pulled the top class in three of five years it has resulted in multiple NC's for that team. It happened at USCw,Fla, and now Bama.
Did they do a survey on sec titles too? Bama only has 1 of those. Also, What service were they using cause the top class is quite subjective each year. What about the others that recruit top 5 annually. Im looking at you texas. It comes down to talent, experience, and coaching. If a team consistently recruits top 10 and has competent coaches, the opportunity to compete for titles is there.
This post was edited on 6/10/12 at 9:55 am
Posted on 6/10/12 at 10:26 am to GetmorewithLes
Excellent post. That kind of sums up my point. Are we going to be standing toe-to-toe with the other elite programs is the next 2-3 years with our rating going down or is it that the staff is finding extremely talented kids that are under the radar.
Under the definition of star ratings:
5-star: player who will be a superstar, AA player
4-star: four year starter, All conference player
3-star: 2-3 year starter, solid core AQ player
2-star: 1-2 year starter or role player for AQ program
1-star: Mid-major
That's just my assumption of how the recruiting services rate players. Our coaches have proven that they can develop and evaluate with the best programs but our rankings seem to have gone down over the past two seasons. Will it have an affect on our success?
Under the definition of star ratings:
5-star: player who will be a superstar, AA player
4-star: four year starter, All conference player
3-star: 2-3 year starter, solid core AQ player
2-star: 1-2 year starter or role player for AQ program
1-star: Mid-major
That's just my assumption of how the recruiting services rate players. Our coaches have proven that they can develop and evaluate with the best programs but our rankings seem to have gone down over the past two seasons. Will it have an affect on our success?
Posted on 6/10/12 at 10:37 am to Toughcrittercrumb1
Why did you cherry pick recruiting rankings to make it seem worse than it really is? You have no problem using rivals for last year's recruiting class when they gave us the worst ranking. You don't mention that they have lsu at #5 now for this year. Then you try to use espn's recruiting rankings as if anyone takes those seriously.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 10:46 am to Toughcrittercrumb1
Any have a compilation of our recruiting ranking over the past 2-3 years?
Posted on 6/10/12 at 10:56 am to Toughcrittercrumb1
stupid thread is stupid
Posted on 6/10/12 at 11:02 am to BozoBus
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Technically, USCw has no participant-sanctioned NC's in the BCS era. None. In fact, USCw has never officially participated in any designated National Championship Game in its history. Even the loss to Texas was vacated. The BCS allowed Texas to keep its Crystal Football, though the game itself was stricken from the record book
Are we in Stalin's USSR? That wins were vacated after the fact, does not mean the games did not take place. They recruited a lot of highly ranked players and those players were very good. Oh and per the NCAA's website, they have 2 NC's, 2003 and 2004
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Posted on 6/10/12 at 11:09 am to Toughcrittercrumb1
I read the title of this thread and was almost willing to bet that it was a bump from a few months ago. But no, it was started today. We are currently on the verge of locking down the state and crushing it out of state by getting what we need and people are still worried about ESPN.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 11:37 am to Tiger Authority
Wow! I just noticed the difference in ESPN 2012 & 2013 ranking compared to every other site. Everyone had us low in 2012 around #13. ESPN has us low in 2013 also.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 11:43 am to Toughcrittercrumb1
Posted on 6/10/12 at 1:42 pm to Toughcrittercrumb1
Rivals: 6, 18, 5
Scout: 9, 6, 10
ESPN: 10, 14, 13
24/7: 4, 13, 7
Three thoughts:
1. ESPN sucks.
2. Collins, Davis, Kiel defections had a huge effect on our class ranking with Rivals. Their rating of classes is based off your top 25 commits. We only had 22. Plus someone mentioned that Rivals didn’t have anyone covering the area.
3. 2013 will be a beast if we hang on to the commits we have. Screw ESPN having this class rated 13. Ridiculous!!!
Scout: 9, 6, 10
ESPN: 10, 14, 13
24/7: 4, 13, 7
Three thoughts:
1. ESPN sucks.
2. Collins, Davis, Kiel defections had a huge effect on our class ranking with Rivals. Their rating of classes is based off your top 25 commits. We only had 22. Plus someone mentioned that Rivals didn’t have anyone covering the area.
3. 2013 will be a beast if we hang on to the commits we have. Screw ESPN having this class rated 13. Ridiculous!!!
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