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All the talk of salary cap and NIL
Posted on 12/3/24 at 11:32 am
Posted on 12/3/24 at 11:32 am
Just thought I'd throw my 2 cents in.
NIL can't be capped.
But paying a recruit to come to your school isn't NIL. NIL is paying a player that is recognized and valuable to the company paying him. There's no real value in paying a kid 700,000 to do a commercial if only 1/5 of the fan base even knows who he is, for example the Phillips kid to Texas. Most of their fans have no idea who he is but yet he's going to get paid likely more than some of their starters.
A revenue share and recruiting rules from each conference could limit this abomination that is the NIL as we see it now. If they can set it up right, you'd see guys like Nuss and Durham soon be high paid NIL guys because they are marketable in Baton Rouge and Louisiana and less money going to guys that are highly recruited but backups. The P4 conferences would have to basically agree to the same standards and since they can never agree on anything, I don't see it happening anytime soon.
NIL can't be capped.
But paying a recruit to come to your school isn't NIL. NIL is paying a player that is recognized and valuable to the company paying him. There's no real value in paying a kid 700,000 to do a commercial if only 1/5 of the fan base even knows who he is, for example the Phillips kid to Texas. Most of their fans have no idea who he is but yet he's going to get paid likely more than some of their starters.
A revenue share and recruiting rules from each conference could limit this abomination that is the NIL as we see it now. If they can set it up right, you'd see guys like Nuss and Durham soon be high paid NIL guys because they are marketable in Baton Rouge and Louisiana and less money going to guys that are highly recruited but backups. The P4 conferences would have to basically agree to the same standards and since they can never agree on anything, I don't see it happening anytime soon.
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Posted on 12/3/24 at 11:35 am to Reeaholic
There needs to be a clearing house for literally every single NIL deal. As long as the deal is an actual transaction for the player's publicity, fine. If the contract is a mere simulation, then call it fraudulent and don't approve it.
Posted on 12/3/24 at 11:50 am to Reeaholic
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But paying a recruit to come to your school isn't NIL. NIL is paying a player that is recognized and valuable to the company paying him. There's no real value in paying a kid 700,000 to do a commercial if only 1/5 of the fan base even knows who he is, for example the Phillips kid to Texas. Most of their fans have no idea who he is but yet he's going to get paid likely more than some of their starters.
your name and likeness are worth whatever someone is wiling to pay, so I don't see how you limit this.
A revenue share can help some schools fight a little better but since this money is mostly coming from outside the school I don't see how you put rules in place to limit or restrict it.
Posted on 12/3/24 at 12:00 pm to BilJ
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your name and likeness are worth whatever someone is wiling to pay, so I don't see how you limit this.
True, but in reality name, image likeness was for the most recognized players, not some high school kid that most fans have no idea who he is. No one is paying them for their name, image and likeness, they are paying them to go to their school. Period. If the conferences outlaw it, which they could in most circumstances, it would create more money for the stars of the program at each school, not the recruits.
Underwood would be a weird exception because he is so highly rated and it was Barstool owner wanting the deal. I'm interested in what Barstool is going to get out of him. Will they put him on their podcasts or some of their videos? It'll be interesting to see because that's where it could get fuzzy with high school recruits.
Schools can't restrict it altogether. But right now schools are absolutely the driving factor for it. There is no deal without the schools approval.
This post was edited on 12/3/24 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 12/3/24 at 12:05 pm to Reeaholic
quote:Yes but unless the player and the business are stupid enough to put in writing “this is contingent on you playing [insert sport] at [insert school]” then it can’t be proven as pay for play and literally nothing at all can be done about it, just as predicted when the first state laws were passed.
True, but in reality name, image likeness was for the most recognized players, not some high school kid that most fans have no idea who he is.
Posted on 12/3/24 at 12:07 pm to BilJ
quote:You can collectively agree to nearly any terms you like. Sometimes CBAs help the higher compensated players; sometimes CBAs help the lower compensated players.
your name and likeness are worth whatever someone is wiling to pay, so I don't see how you limit this.
A revenue share can help some schools fight a little better but since this money is mostly coming from outside the school I don't see how you put rules in place to limit or restrict it.
I don't see a legal reason why a collective bargaining agreement couldn't aggregate and prorate NIL.
Posted on 12/3/24 at 12:09 pm to Reeaholic
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True, but in reality name, image likeness was for the most recognized players, not some high school kid that most fans have no idea who he is. No one is paying them for their name, image and likeness, they are paying them to go to their school. Period
of course everyone sees it for what it actually is, I still don't know how you legally craft an argument definitively proving it
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. If the conferences outlaw it, which they could in most circumstances,
Maybe not sure if they legally can or not,,,,but none will be the first to do it. If the Big Ten says no more, the SEC schools will just reap the benefit and vice versa. So you'd have to get everyone on the same page, which always seems to be near impossible.
Posted on 12/3/24 at 12:09 pm to Reeaholic
It doesn’t matter…the entire system is fricked with no oversight
Posted on 12/3/24 at 12:09 pm to Reeaholic
Players were getting paid when getting paid was illegal. TF do they think a cap will do? Pay your Underwood’s 500k a year and their father 700k as an analyst?
Posted on 12/3/24 at 12:10 pm to MOT
Do you see any recruit getting NIL funds without approval from the coaches?
The coaches are picking the recruits to pay and largely what to pay. The conferences can absolutely stop that with no school can intervene in any NIL packages and have harsh penalties for doing so. That is not against a kid from making NIL in anyway by law so it's doable.
The coaches are picking the recruits to pay and largely what to pay. The conferences can absolutely stop that with no school can intervene in any NIL packages and have harsh penalties for doing so. That is not against a kid from making NIL in anyway by law so it's doable.
Posted on 12/3/24 at 12:11 pm to Salviati
can you have a CBA since these athletes aren't considered employees under current rules?
Posted on 12/3/24 at 12:12 pm to Reeaholic
Let me say again:
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Yes but unless the player and the business are stupid enough to put in writing “this is contingent on you playing [insert sport] at [insert school]” then it can’t be proven as pay for play and literally nothing at all can be done about it, just as predicted when the first state laws were passed.
Posted on 12/3/24 at 12:13 pm to BilJ
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So you'd have to get everyone on the same page, which always seems to be near impossible
That's why I said it's likely not going to happen. The P4 conferences would have to get together and form a coalition (they talked about it to do away with NCAA). I just don't think the Big 10 and SEC would ever agree to anything tho.
Posted on 12/3/24 at 12:31 pm to Reeaholic
a court may call that collusion anyway
Posted on 12/3/24 at 12:45 pm to BilJ
quote:I think we are getting very close to a tipping point requiring a paradigm shift.
can you have a CBA since these athletes aren't considered employees under current rules?
While it seems a very few teams in each conference can play with seemingly unlimited funds, the majority of teams in the P4 are going to demand a salary cap for the game to remain competitive. It's in the interest of all schools to maintain a competitive basis.
Yes, the NLRA speaks in terms of employees, but I don't think that's a difficult step or that all of the state law "employee" requirements have to apply to football employees.
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