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Alabama recruiting question
Posted on 12/27/20 at 8:29 pm
Posted on 12/27/20 at 8:29 pm
Ok,Question. Alabama has 25 recruits right now. All have signed and there's a 5 star running back who hasn't signed but has committed which makes the total 26. They had 25 last year. How is it that they can have a 26th recruit this year and how can they sign him?
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Posted on 12/27/20 at 8:30 pm to UCONNLU
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Ok,Question. Alabama has 25 recruits right now. All have signed and there's a 5 star running back who hasn't signed but has committed which makes the total 26. They had 25 last year. How is it that they can have a 26th recruit this year and how can they sign him?
Some may not qualify. Some may gray shirt.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 8:31 pm to UCONNLU
Dodge Charger... Oh wait, I read the question wrong.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 8:52 pm to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
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Some may not qualify
Still count against 25.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 8:53 pm to UCONNLU
More importantly, how are they absolutely never investigated?
Posted on 12/27/20 at 8:55 pm to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
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Some may not qualify. Some may gray shirt.
Only allowed to sign 25 per year, period. If they don't qualify, too bad. Still counts against the limit.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 9:19 pm to BilltheTiger
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If they don't qualify, too bad. Still counts against the limit.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 9:21 pm to UCONNLU
From what I understand 2 players from last year’s class didn’t sign and paid their own way with one being bear’s grandson. So 2 of their early enrollees count back to last year. So I think they can sign 27.
Also as others mentioned non-qualifiers who sign do count against the 25. It’s a risk and one we are taking with Langston.
Also as others mentioned non-qualifiers who sign do count against the 25. It’s a risk and one we are taking with Langston.
This post was edited on 12/27/20 at 9:24 pm
Posted on 12/27/20 at 9:30 pm to rsylve
So you’re telling me neither of those two that payed their own way went on a recruiting visit to Alabama? C’mon man this is absolutely some ludicrous BS!
Posted on 12/27/20 at 9:41 pm to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
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Some may not qualify. Some may gray shirt.
Once a recruit is signed he counts against your limit whether he qualifies or not.
There is no such thing as a gray shirt. Until that player is enrolled or on scholarship he has no formal place within the program. He is just a high school graduate who has delayed entry into college.
He cannot enroll in the spring on a " borrowed " scholarship from next year's class.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 10:35 pm to tigersbb
Dude, greyshirts still happen, they delay enrolling in school until the dec. of 2021 or they pay their own way until then. Happens all the time, they look for kids who will do this, big dogs walk late and you always want a few extra at the end. I mean some act like LSU has never greyshirted or blueshirted a kid. Or a kid did not delay enrollment... Give me a break...
Posted on 12/27/20 at 11:13 pm to UCONNLU
Realistically, literally everything that Alabama is doing right now from a recruiting-numbers-manipulation standpoint will be made violative the second Saban retires. But not before.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 11:18 pm to buckRogers
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On September 24, 2010, the Wall Street Journal published an article suggesting the University of Alabama and its head coach, Nick Saban, had encouraging some under-performing players to quit the team for medical reasons in order to gain a competitive edge.
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On November 25, 2010, the Journal reported that several former Alabama players claim Saban and Alabama lied about their reasons for leaving the school.
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On April 15, 2008, Saban was asked by reporter Ian Rapoport how he was going to handle the numbers. Saban replied "I'm not worried about them. It'll all work out. I mean, the whole thing has a solution to every issue. You don't put yourself in a position where you don't know what's coming." Rapoport respond, "So you're not going to tell us?" to which Saban replied "We know how it has to be managed, and it will be managed. It's none of your business. Aiight? And don't give me this stuff about the fans' need to know, because they don't need to know. Don't even ask. Aiight?"
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In early 2011, after National Signing Day, Saban and the University of Alabama again became the subjects of heavy media criticism after they again appeared to have oversigned. When asked about the appearance of being oversigned during his Signing Day press conference, Saban gave a 431-word response[27] in which he denied being oversigned but refused to clarify the situation by explaining how many scholarship players departed the program after the 2010 season.[28] Further raising questions about Saban and Alabama, Birmingham News journalist Kevin Scarbinsky revealed a few days after Saban's press conference that in numerous requests by the newspaper for the scholarship numbers of public universities in Alabama, the University of Alabama has been the only one to completely redact the numbers for every sport in which it participates.
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The long and the short of it is, whenever you ask “how are they doing X,” the answer is that they probably are in fact doing something unethical or against the spirit of the rules. They are the only program where this issue commonly comes up. But the NCAA has let this get too far out of hand. You just can’t call them on it now that they mean so much to college football as a brand. As soon as Saban leaves it will all come out (so far as necessary to carve out everything they’ve done that shouldn’t be allowed going forward), but as long as they’re on top like this, it just can’t realistically be touched.
To argue that everything they’re doing is on the up-and-up rivals the bias and stupidity of Penn State fans who claimed Paterno had no idea what was going on with Sandusky.
This post was edited on 12/27/20 at 11:25 pm
Posted on 12/28/20 at 5:24 am to buckRogers
What the hell is doing something against the “spirit” of the rules?
Posted on 12/28/20 at 6:27 am to buckRogers
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To argue that everything they’re doing is on the up-and-up rivals the bias and stupidity of Penn State fans who claimed Paterno had no idea what was going on with Sandusky.
Or to argue that there is no evidence of fraud in the Presidential election.
Posted on 12/28/20 at 6:53 am to UCONNLU
I'm going to try and answer this in principle, but not specifically because it requires a lot of detailed information I don't know nor care to know. First, how can you sign more than 25?
If you don't fulfill your limit one year, you can fill it the next year if you have the EEs to back count (not actually what's happening, but it's easier to think about it this way). So if you only took 24 last year you can take 26 this year. But you can carry forward this spot in perpetuity if you want. Say if you only take 25 this year in this example, you could take 26 next year, and so on. So in order to know how many AL can take, you have to know their balance sheet because they could have a spot from 10 years ago that was never used.
Other complications include:
o Maybe a signee was someone who had signed with them before. This person would not count against the current limits since he counted before.
o Maybe a signee will be on an academic scholarship instead of an athletic scholarship. In this case he wouldn't count against the 25 unless he played in a game his first year.
o Maybe a signee will actually be a grey shirt. He would actually count against the next class, not this class.
o Did all of the previous signees ever sign a valid LOI. For an LOI to be valid, and thus a promise, not only do all the i's and t's must be dotted and crossed, the school has to submit the paperwork to the conference for approval within the allotted timeframe. They might not do this for someone they are unsure of qualifying but wants to give them their signing ceremony.
The point of all this is that you really have to know specific shite to figure this out. Some dilettante who doesn't really understand the rules or the specifics about individuals doesn't have a chance. You need to find some Alabama recruiting geek who is really into this. They are not easy to find, but there was a guy who posted some stuff last year seemed to know his shite. I could probably find some info on him and maybe you could track him down.
If you don't fulfill your limit one year, you can fill it the next year if you have the EEs to back count (not actually what's happening, but it's easier to think about it this way). So if you only took 24 last year you can take 26 this year. But you can carry forward this spot in perpetuity if you want. Say if you only take 25 this year in this example, you could take 26 next year, and so on. So in order to know how many AL can take, you have to know their balance sheet because they could have a spot from 10 years ago that was never used.
Other complications include:
o Maybe a signee was someone who had signed with them before. This person would not count against the current limits since he counted before.
o Maybe a signee will be on an academic scholarship instead of an athletic scholarship. In this case he wouldn't count against the 25 unless he played in a game his first year.
o Maybe a signee will actually be a grey shirt. He would actually count against the next class, not this class.
o Did all of the previous signees ever sign a valid LOI. For an LOI to be valid, and thus a promise, not only do all the i's and t's must be dotted and crossed, the school has to submit the paperwork to the conference for approval within the allotted timeframe. They might not do this for someone they are unsure of qualifying but wants to give them their signing ceremony.
The point of all this is that you really have to know specific shite to figure this out. Some dilettante who doesn't really understand the rules or the specifics about individuals doesn't have a chance. You need to find some Alabama recruiting geek who is really into this. They are not easy to find, but there was a guy who posted some stuff last year seemed to know his shite. I could probably find some info on him and maybe you could track him down.
Posted on 12/28/20 at 7:08 am to buckRogers
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On September 24, 2010, the Wall Street Journal published an article suggesting the University of Alabama and its head coach, Nick Saban, had encouraging some under-performing players to quit the team for medical reasons in order to gain a competitive edge.
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On November 25, 2010, the Journal reported that several former Alabama players claim Saban and Alabama lied about their reasons for leaving the school.
Since ships are only guaranteed for 1 year only, I have no problem with this. The alternative is to just drop them off the team. This way they can keep the ship. The only competitive edge here is giving a shite about his players. Guys who want to play would just be encouraged to transfer. These are players who no longer want to or shouldn't play again.
Posted on 12/28/20 at 7:28 am to buckRogers
Where is USA today?? They seem to like dropping articles to hurt our recruiting.
Posted on 12/28/20 at 7:38 am to Indiana Tiger
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If you don't fulfill your limit one year, you can fill it the next year if you have the EEs to back count (not actually what's happening, but it's easier to think about it this way). So if you only took 24 last year you can take 26 this year. But you can carry forward this spot in perpetuity if you want. Say if you only take 25 this year in this example, you could take 26 next year, and so on. So in order to know how many AL can take, you have to know their balance sheet because they could have a spot from 10 years ago that was never used.
You cant do that any more. You cannot backcount past one year.
Posted on 12/28/20 at 7:49 am to UCONNLU
just looked into the numbers to see what's going on there...
1.31.2017 the Google machine shows an article regarding the limit to 25 update.
247 shows they signed 29 for 2017 (28 on scholarship + Parks, DE that gs) LINK /
22 signed for 2018 LINK / which would be 3 to carryover to 2019.
2019 LINK / signed 27 + 2 transfers. Let's play along that the k and qb gs/paid their way, etc. They would have 1 to carry over to 2020.
2020 LINK / 24 enrolled, 1 signed, 2 transfers would put them at 1 over the 25 per class limit and definitely not have any additional for 2021.
2021 class and here we are... 25 signed, one committed, and they are still recruiting LINK / what am i missing here?
1.31.2017 the Google machine shows an article regarding the limit to 25 update.
247 shows they signed 29 for 2017 (28 on scholarship + Parks, DE that gs) LINK /
22 signed for 2018 LINK / which would be 3 to carryover to 2019.
2019 LINK / signed 27 + 2 transfers. Let's play along that the k and qb gs/paid their way, etc. They would have 1 to carry over to 2020.
2020 LINK / 24 enrolled, 1 signed, 2 transfers would put them at 1 over the 25 per class limit and definitely not have any additional for 2021.
2021 class and here we are... 25 signed, one committed, and they are still recruiting LINK / what am i missing here?
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