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A Brief Study in Michigan Development vs. LSU Development: McCarthy (5*) vs. Daniels (4*)
Posted on 11/14/24 at 4:43 pm
Posted on 11/14/24 at 4:43 pm
JJ McCarthy was a 5* QB coming out of IMG Academy.
JJ McCarthy won a National Championship in his final year.
JJ McCarthy was developed by Jim Harbaugh and staff.
Jayden Daniels was a 4* QB coming out of Cajon HS.
Jayden Daniels went to the SECCG in his first year at LSU.
Jayden Daniels was developed by Brian Kelly and staff.
JJ McCarthy was selected with the 10th pick and signed a contract for $21.85 million including a $12.71 million signing bonus.
Jayden Daniels was selected with the 2nd pick and signed a contract for $37.75 million including a $24.27 million signing bonus.
The discrepancy will grow even larger when they sign their second contracts.
JJ McCarthy started out with a better rating from a better HS. His college team won a national championship under a former and current NFL coach. And yet Jayden Daniels' contract is almost double JJ McCarthy's contract.
Underwood and his family are intelligent people. They are not thinking short term. They are not foolish. Even if Michigan offered millions more than LSU, they are not going to throw away the long term gain.
JJ McCarthy won a National Championship in his final year.
JJ McCarthy was developed by Jim Harbaugh and staff.
Jayden Daniels was a 4* QB coming out of Cajon HS.
Jayden Daniels went to the SECCG in his first year at LSU.
Jayden Daniels was developed by Brian Kelly and staff.
JJ McCarthy was selected with the 10th pick and signed a contract for $21.85 million including a $12.71 million signing bonus.
Jayden Daniels was selected with the 2nd pick and signed a contract for $37.75 million including a $24.27 million signing bonus.
The discrepancy will grow even larger when they sign their second contracts.
JJ McCarthy started out with a better rating from a better HS. His college team won a national championship under a former and current NFL coach. And yet Jayden Daniels' contract is almost double JJ McCarthy's contract.
Underwood and his family are intelligent people. They are not thinking short term. They are not foolish. Even if Michigan offered millions more than LSU, they are not going to throw away the long term gain.
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Posted on 11/14/24 at 5:01 pm to Salviati
You make a lot of good points, and also tie it in well to Underwood’s situation.
I will say though, Jayden Daniels was practically a 5*. I think he was right on the cusp, and was also rated as the best or second best dual threat in the country. San Bernardino was a pretty good football program, at least when he went to school, and All the scouts gushed about Daniels out of HS, and knew he would start Day 1 at Arizona State. It’s no coincidence JD tore it up his freshman season when he actually had some NFL guys. Aiyuk, and Rachad White.
I will say though, Jayden Daniels was practically a 5*. I think he was right on the cusp, and was also rated as the best or second best dual threat in the country. San Bernardino was a pretty good football program, at least when he went to school, and All the scouts gushed about Daniels out of HS, and knew he would start Day 1 at Arizona State. It’s no coincidence JD tore it up his freshman season when he actually had some NFL guys. Aiyuk, and Rachad White.
Posted on 11/14/24 at 5:35 pm to Salviati
Might want to add that JD5 won a heisman, broke NCAA records, and had the #1 offense in all of college football
Compare his stats to McCarthy…
Compare his stats to McCarthy…
Posted on 11/14/24 at 7:01 pm to Salviati
247 had them both as 4 stars with a 97 rating coming out of high school. JD was the #1 DT QB and a national ranking of 35. McCarthy was the #6 QB and national ranking of 38.
McCarthy won a Big Ten championship in his 2nd year and 1st as a starter then a national championship in his 3rd year and 2nd year starter at 20 years old. Beat OSU both years as a starter.
27-1 as a starter highest winning % in D1 history.
National Championship
Rose bowl MVP
Big Ten QB of the year
1st team all Big Ten
Top 10 NFL draft pick after only 2 years as a starter.
Thats a better explanation of his career at Michigan and only Michigan.
McCarthy won a Big Ten championship in his 2nd year and 1st as a starter then a national championship in his 3rd year and 2nd year starter at 20 years old. Beat OSU both years as a starter.
27-1 as a starter highest winning % in D1 history.
National Championship
Rose bowl MVP
Big Ten QB of the year
1st team all Big Ten
Top 10 NFL draft pick after only 2 years as a starter.
Thats a better explanation of his career at Michigan and only Michigan.
This post was edited on 11/14/24 at 7:11 pm
Posted on 11/14/24 at 7:55 pm to BayouBaw84
quote:
McCarthy won a Big Ten championship in his 2nd year and 1st as a starter then a national championship in his 3rd year and 2nd year starter at 20 years old. Beat OSU both years as a starter.
27-1 as a starter highest winning % in D1 history.
National Championship
Rose bowl MVP
Big Ten QB of the year
1st team all Big Ten
Top 10 NFL draft pick after only 2 years as a starter.
Thats a better explanation of his career at Michigan and only Michigan
And Jim harbaugh ain’t walking through that door
Posted on 11/14/24 at 8:00 pm to Salviati
quote:
Jayden Daniels was a 4* QB coming out of Cajon HS.
Jayden Daniels went to the SECCG in his first year at LSU.
Jayden Daniels was developed by Brian Kelly and staff.
Damn, I thought he won a Heisman under BK too?
Posted on 11/15/24 at 6:08 am to CatsGoneWild
quote:That's kind of the WHOLE point.
Might want to add that JD5 won a heisman, broke NCAA records, and had the #1 offense in all of college football
Compare his stats to McCarthy…
Coming out of high school, McCarthy had all of the advantages.
McCarthy's choice to get developed at Michigan, and Daniel's choice to get developed at LSU ,made all of the difference..
Posted on 11/15/24 at 6:14 am to BayouBaw84
quote:Wholly crap! That's impressive. That's probably the BEST a Michigan QB can do.
McCarthy won a Big Ten championship in his 2nd year and 1st as a starter then a national championship in his 3rd year and 2nd year starter at 20 years old. Beat OSU both years as a starter.
27-1 as a starter highest winning % in D1 history.
National Championship
Rose bowl MVP
Big Ten QB of the year
1st team all Big Ten
Top 10 NFL draft pick after only 2 years as a starter.
And even with all of that on McCarthy's college resume, Daniels doubled his rookie contract.
Two years under Kelly and staff and Daniels wins the Heisman and sets offensive records. Even with the best Michigan coaching and winning a National Championship, McCarthy could NOT touch Daniels' stats.
So why would any QB choose Michigan over LSU?
Posted on 11/15/24 at 6:17 am to GetmorewithLes
quote:Thank you.
Damn, I thought he won a Heisman under BK too?
Thank you for making my point.
Daniels got a gigantic contract because of his performance after being developed by Kelly and staff.
Daniels got a gigantic contract because of his performance in LSU's offense.
Michigan's offense does not permit a QB to put up those kind of numbers..
Posted on 11/15/24 at 6:45 am to Salviati
Truthfully, jayden is just more talented than mccarthy. Underwood’s talent will prob net him a top qb drafted status regardless where he goes
Posted on 11/15/24 at 7:05 am to Salviati
quote:10.5 million dollars and not having to live in BR.
So why would any QB choose Michigan over LSU?
Posted on 11/15/24 at 8:08 am to Salviati
quote:
Michigan's offense does not permit a QB to put up those kind of numbers..
I did a little research into this too a week or two ago and saw that JJ McCarthy avg'd about 198 ypg passing and 12 ypg rushing... in a NC offense. Not eye popping. Just game manager stats.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 8:28 am to GetmorewithLes
quote:Managed to beat OSU both years as a starter. 2 big ten titles, 2 playoff appearances (only 4 teams) and a national championship.
I did a little research into this too a week or two ago and saw that JJ McCarthy avg'd about 198 ypg passing and 12 ypg rushing... in a NC offense. Not eye popping. Just game manager stats.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 8:50 am to josh336
quote:Truthfully, Jayden blossomed under Kelly and Staff's tutelage.
Truthfully, jayden is just more talented than mccarthy. Underwood’s talent will prob net him a top qb drafted status regardless where he goes
He was a very different player when he left LSU.
There's no getting around the simple but undeniable fact that his development at LSU made him tens of millions of dollars on his rookie contract.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 1:17 pm to BayouBaw84
quote:
Managed to beat OSU both years as a starter. 2 big ten titles, 2 playoff appearances (only 4 teams) and a national championship by a HC who left to avoid NCAA Sanctions....
FIFY
Posted on 11/16/24 at 10:10 am to Salviati
The study doesn't address the fact that the offensive staff at LSU that revitalized and developed Daniels which we all witnessed is still in place. The present offensive staff at Michigan doesn't have an identity established and most certainly doesn't have a QB coach like Sloan.
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