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Posted on 1/13/24 at 3:26 pm to
Posted by NotaStarGazer
Member since Dec 2023
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Posted on 1/13/24 at 3:26 pm to
"15.5.6.1 Bowl Subdivision Football. [FBS] "an annual limit of 85 on the total number of counters (including initial counters) in football at each institution. (Revised: 1/10/91 effective 8/1/92, 12/15/06)"

Yep. "annual limit of 85". Last post on the subject by me. You have been PROVEN wrong but obviously you aren't going to admit it. Hope you enjoy the sun rising in the WEST tomorrow!
Posted by Toadfrggy82
Kaplan, La
Member since Aug 2023
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Posted on 1/13/24 at 3:33 pm to
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We will have 34 new guys coming in with 58 coming back, so we about 7 over for fall, they will be fine in spring, here's the roster, I'm not sure if this is correct, if not it's not far off.
This post was edited on 1/13/24 at 3:34 pm
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
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Posted on 1/13/24 at 3:38 pm to
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You have been PROVEN wrong
Nope

Even if you have the wrong idea about what annual means, which you clearly do, you can see that the rule hasn’t been revised since 2006 (it’s even in your post). Are you going to tell me teams have had the ability to have 200 players on their roster in the Spring and no one has taken advantage of it?

I guess they also just added those rules about replacing counters mid year just to take up extra space. Why would they need to clarify when one of the 85 can be used to replace a counter who left when the 85 doesn’t even exist at that point in time according to you?
Posted by bayou85
Concordia
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 1/16/24 at 4:23 pm to
It’s not my interpretation it’s the rule. Shea has flat out said this on air.
Posted by NotaStarGazer
Member since Dec 2023
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Posted on 1/16/24 at 4:35 pm to
You are correct but wasting your time debating it with someone else who has been proven wrong but simply won't admit it. Regardless, there has going to have be a lot of processing/transfer portal activity in the spring as LSU continues to get further and further away from the maximum 85 number.
Posted by Reeaholic
Moss Bluff
Member since Jun 2019
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Posted on 1/16/24 at 5:23 pm to
It really doesnt matter. We're only bringing in 13 of our high school recruits for spring so we will be below the 85 limit in spring anyway.

I saw we were in total around 90 including the whole high school class so 90ish minus 16 (our recruits still in high school) is 74. We just need to get to 85 before fall camp and those recruits join the team.
Posted by 0
Member since Aug 2011
17554 posts
Posted on 1/16/24 at 5:47 pm to
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Kids are being asked to pay their own way initially. Why do that if the numbers don't matter until fall? The beauty of NiL is that it's more possible than ever. Just have to convince the kids to accept that route.


Wasn’t that the original idea behind a grey shirt?
Posted by bayou85
Concordia
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 1/16/24 at 6:26 pm to
Up until a few years ago, you couldn’t take more than 25 per year. So you literally couldn’t get to 200 genius. Also, 200 would be absurd to try to manage.
Posted by LifeAquatic
Member since Dec 2019
1993 posts
Posted on 1/17/24 at 9:05 am to
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Notice the word "annual"...that means checked once a year.





"Annual" doesn't mean the scholarships are checked once each year; it means that you can only give 85 scholarships each year. If you have a guy on scholarship during the year and then he gets kicked off the team, he's still had a scholarship during that year and thus counts against your "annual" limit.
Posted by LifeAquatic
Member since Dec 2019
1993 posts
Posted on 1/17/24 at 9:14 am to
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Wasn’t that the original idea behind a grey shirt?



So I will preface this by saying that I'm fairly certain that guy is correct that you're not allowed to exceed 85 at any given point. However, I think the logic here is backwards: IIRC, the point of a "grey shirt" (i.e. where a kid is asked to pay his own way starting out) is not to circumvent the overall 85 scholarship limit but rather to circumvent the yearly 25-man limit on signing classes.


In other words: A "grey shirt" is/was something you used when you *weren't* concerned about the overall 85 limit but *were* capped out in terms of that year's signing class. What you'd do is have the player enroll and pay their own way starting out, with the understanding that they'd be guaranteed a roster spot and (eventually) a scholarship. Because they didn't start off with a scholarship, they wouldn't count against the 25-man limit on the signing class - but because they were a "recruited player" they'd count against the 85 man scholarship limit regardless, so you just wait until the 25-man limit is no longer relevant and then give them their scholarship then, with no skin off your back because they were already counted as a "scholarship player" for the purpose of the 85 limit.


Note that I'm not 100% positive on this, but I think it's correct.
This post was edited on 1/17/24 at 9:15 am
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