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re: 2010 Class Evaluation to this point...
Posted on 5/13/09 at 9:26 am to Miles Fan Now
Posted on 5/13/09 at 9:26 am to Miles Fan Now
Lynx...thanx for the awesome insight......
Who do you think will be better out of Muncie and Welter?....
what past LSU WR do you compare Hunter to?...does he remind you of AJ Green like ESPN says?
.....thanx again Lynx..
Who do you think will be better out of Muncie and Welter?....
what past LSU WR do you compare Hunter to?...does he remind you of AJ Green like ESPN says?
.....thanx again Lynx..
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Posted on 5/13/09 at 9:38 am to lynxcat
If everyone put this much time and effort into their posts, then I would be on TD 2-3 times as much as I already am. Thank you Lynx!
Posted on 5/13/09 at 11:57 am to alange
Lynx...can you give me full-length evaluation on every single LSU football player that's on the roster?....including walk-ons?....i don't think i'm asking for much...
Posted on 5/13/09 at 1:44 pm to tigersnsaints
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Lynx...thanx for the awesome insight......
That's a little TMI..... You should have just sent him a text message.
Posted on 5/13/09 at 1:57 pm to Miles Fan Now
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This post was edited on 5/13/09 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 5/13/09 at 2:40 pm to TheHiddenFlask
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Hope I didn't let you down maxi-poo.
you did
Lynxcat and the RAT squad strike first
RAT Squad Team - 1
Recruiting World Order Wolfpack - 0
Posted on 5/13/09 at 3:48 pm to tigersnsaints
quote:
Lynx...thanx for the awesome insight......
Who do you think will be better out of Muncie and Welter?....
what past LSU WR do you compare Hunter to?...does he remind you of AJ Green like ESPN says?
.....thanx again Lynx..
Thanks for the kind remarks guys.
Out of Muncie and Welter, I feel like Muncie's ceiling is a little higher based off the videos I have seen. Welter is a VERY good high school player, but I am not not completely sold as to how he will translate into the college game.
Like I've said, I am not as high on Welter as many people on the boards, but hey, thats JMHO.
I am tempted to say Muncie will be 'better.' I think he will be a little quicker and be able to do more things under the system Chavis plays.
With that said, I don't see either becoming 'superstars,' but it is hard to say that with certainty when a lot can change over the next 5 years of highschool/college.
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As for Justin Hunter, AJ Green is a pretty fair comparison. I think Green runs much crisper routes and may have a little better hands and wiggle, but Hunter can jump higher than 99.9999% of America to go along with a 6'4 frame.
If you look at Terrance Tolliver and AJ Green together you have Justin Hunter IMO.
I really hope he will get a RS year though...if he can be given a year to bulk up and add weight then he could become a big time target from day one he steps on the field (I think we are remember how TT was skinny when he started...and still is to a degree).
Posted on 5/13/09 at 4:14 pm to lynxcat
quote:Definitely agree and hope he redshirts. Which I think he will.
I really hope he will get a RS year though...if he can be given a year to bulk up and add weight then he could become a big time target from day one he steps on the field
Posted on 5/13/09 at 4:16 pm to TexasTigah
Lynx you are a beast at this.
Posted on 5/13/09 at 4:24 pm to pdaddy2005
Very good evaluation Lynx. Completely agree with you on Welter. I just don't see it especially with all the other LBs showing interest in us.
Quick question because his name has been brought up a lot on other boards...what do you think of Fobbs?
I'd like to see what your opinion is.
Quick question because his name has been brought up a lot on other boards...what do you think of Fobbs?
I'd like to see what your opinion is.
Posted on 5/13/09 at 4:39 pm to firejohnbrady
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Quick question because his name has been brought up a lot on other boards...what do you think of Fobbs?
Here is a link to his highlight video for those of you who have not seen it: Jarrett Fobbs
Fobbs is a kid that I am probably a little higher on than some people. His measureables do not blows you off the page: 6'0, 185 lb, 4.45 (hand timed I would assume).
Many will argue that he is a dime a dozen within the south. While that is somewhat true, I feel like he has some other attributes that differentiate himself from other skill guys.
First, he seems to have very good ball skills and body awareness. He catches the ball at its highest point and is fluid in doing so. If LSU is offering him as a true ATHLETE, then I think this is vital. You would expect a WR prospect to be good catching the ball, but if Fobbs is converted to a CB, then I think his ball skills are above average for that position.
My biggest 'gripe' is "where do you put him?" Do you take Fobbs as a WR over a kid like Jeremy Richardson (thats a stretch bc I don't expect Richardson to come to LSU) or James Louis, D. White, Da'rick Rogers, etc?
I don't think you do. At least not at WR.
However, Miles has told him he sees Fobbs as the "next Percy Harvin." Thats a bit of a shock to me because he doesn't run in the 4.3s or possess the escapability that a Harvin does.
At CB, I see LSU taking Vinson, Hurd, and Reid. Reid is a definite FS/SS, Vinson is a "tweener" that could play either FS or CB...I think I remember him being recruited as a CB though. Hurd is a CB as well. Tharold Simon could be moved to SS instead of WR, so thats another guy potentially in the secondary.
I would take Fobbs and let him compete--and from there you see where the cookies crumble. He could turn into a guy like Corey Webster or he could disappear like John Williams (to this point).
I am not sure if that was a very good evaluation, but hopefully it gives you some insight.
Posted on 5/13/09 at 5:09 pm to lynxcat
That was perfect I just wanted to hear someone else's opinion.
He reminds me more of John Williams and not so much Webster. His body type and film looks a lot like John Williams when he came out of high school. I too agree like some others that he is the type of recruit in the words of Mike S. "grow on trees" around here. I would also take White out of Texas in a heartbeat over Fobbs. It also concerns me that we are recruiting him in that mold because I figured that would be Reed's role if he commits. Morris Claiborne will be the next Corey Webster if they put him at DB.
I do feel differently about Simon then you. I could easily see him jumping into the top 50 by the end of the season. His size and speed is very good and he makes great plays when the ball is in the air regardless of what side of the ball he is on. I originally wanted him at safety but after watching his new film today I started drooling thinking about him Hunter, Randle, and Reed or Davis all on the field at the same time.
Back to the DBs. I think Vinson is a stud CB even though his body type is more of a SS. I like Hurd and the height isn't really any issue with me in the new system. It seems like we will be doing a lot more bump and run with the CBs with tall rangy safeties over the top like Reid and potentially Simon. With safeties like that over the top it takes away the disadvantage of shorter CBs. It is a different philosophy from the past so it does not surprise me that we are recruiting D across the board differently.
Also if Hurd is offered this will only help us with Shaun Lewis in the same way Mike Davis can only help us with Corey Nelson.
He reminds me more of John Williams and not so much Webster. His body type and film looks a lot like John Williams when he came out of high school. I too agree like some others that he is the type of recruit in the words of Mike S. "grow on trees" around here. I would also take White out of Texas in a heartbeat over Fobbs. It also concerns me that we are recruiting him in that mold because I figured that would be Reed's role if he commits. Morris Claiborne will be the next Corey Webster if they put him at DB.
I do feel differently about Simon then you. I could easily see him jumping into the top 50 by the end of the season. His size and speed is very good and he makes great plays when the ball is in the air regardless of what side of the ball he is on. I originally wanted him at safety but after watching his new film today I started drooling thinking about him Hunter, Randle, and Reed or Davis all on the field at the same time.
Back to the DBs. I think Vinson is a stud CB even though his body type is more of a SS. I like Hurd and the height isn't really any issue with me in the new system. It seems like we will be doing a lot more bump and run with the CBs with tall rangy safeties over the top like Reid and potentially Simon. With safeties like that over the top it takes away the disadvantage of shorter CBs. It is a different philosophy from the past so it does not surprise me that we are recruiting D across the board differently.
Also if Hurd is offered this will only help us with Shaun Lewis in the same way Mike Davis can only help us with Corey Nelson.
Posted on 5/13/09 at 5:16 pm to firejohnbrady
I did just rewatch the Fobbs tape and I was more impressed then I originally was. That video does show a lot more of what he is capable of.
Posted on 5/13/09 at 8:40 pm to lynxcat
Good stuff Lynx. I know it's very early to be talking about unheralded, sleeper recruits, but in my opinion Brandon Worle is going to be that guy. The guy is just flat-out mean and it's not like he's lacking in athleticism to begin with. In my own humble opinion, I'll be surprised if he doesn't get intrigued by a team like GaTech where he could be in an offense that will highlight his ability as a runner... but then again, the coaching staff does like big, physical runners and Worle could become more of a feature back than what I think is naturally assumed at this point.
Posted on 5/14/09 at 5:02 pm to firejohnbrady
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I did just rewatch the Fobbs tape and I was more impressed then I originally was. That video does show a lot more of what he is capable of.
Webster wasn't the best example as far as body type/style, I just meant that Fobbs could become a successful player at CB potentially if he made the switch. I feel like his ball skills really give him some tools to work with.
Posted on 5/14/09 at 5:04 pm to Stagg8
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Good stuff Lynx. I know it's very early to be talking about unheralded, sleeper recruits, but in my opinion Brandon Worle is going to be that guy. The guy is just flat-out mean and it's not like he's lacking in athleticism to begin with. In my own humble opinion, I'll be surprised if he doesn't get intrigued by a team like GaTech where he could be in an offense that will highlight his ability as a runner... but then again, the coaching staff does like big, physical runners and Worle could become more of a feature back than what I think is naturally assumed at this point.
Worle is about as solid as it gets. He is probably the most secure recruit we have in the class (even though he is out of state). He is refusing to talk to coaches--just telling them "I am going to LSU."
I completely agree about him being a sleeper. He isn't really a sleeper for me because he is a QUALITY player in an area that LSU can use. I also love that both Dominic Allen and Worle are physically ready to play college play from day 1. We need a FB now and they can play and play well.
Posted on 5/14/09 at 5:34 pm to lynxcat
I like how we went after FB that do more than block. D. Allen and Worle are both downhill runners. Almost Jerome Bettis like, but playing Fullback. I really like the ability of a FB to Block, Run, and Catch, which both can do. It can really open up the playbook without changing personnel.
As for our LB. I think they are both good but not great. So I agree with you there Lynx. They could develop quite nicely in the end, but Ill hold my reservations until I can see some film from Senior year.
Hunter was a great steal. A whole lot of potential. My only question about Hunter is Speed. How fast is this kid. Has he been to any combines. Regardless I think the trade off with jumping ability is definately worth it. I still need to watch some more film. But his ability to bring the ball in when thrown high is as good as it gets.
As for our LB. I think they are both good but not great. So I agree with you there Lynx. They could develop quite nicely in the end, but Ill hold my reservations until I can see some film from Senior year.
Hunter was a great steal. A whole lot of potential. My only question about Hunter is Speed. How fast is this kid. Has he been to any combines. Regardless I think the trade off with jumping ability is definately worth it. I still need to watch some more film. But his ability to bring the ball in when thrown high is as good as it gets.
Posted on 5/14/09 at 5:36 pm to tigerbill002
quote:combine timed 4.57, plenty fast for a HS Jr
My only question about Hunter is Speed. How fast is this kid.
This post was edited on 5/14/09 at 5:38 pm
Posted on 5/14/09 at 5:57 pm to Books
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laser timed 4.57, plenty fast for a HS Jr
Nice. Well that answers any doubts about speed. Thanks Books. Found some other 40 times for comparison.
AJ Green: 4.5
Julio Jones: 4.5
R. Randle 4.5
NFl combine:
Early Doucet 4.54
Dwayne Bowe 4.51
Craig Davis 4.46
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