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Posted on 1/27/16 at 9:13 am
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 1/27/16 at 9:13 am
I know we joke about this every year, but it still cracks me up that a fax is still being used. Boils down to tradition, it seems.


Article from 2014

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"I think a lot of times people get confused and think we mandate it, and that's not the case at all. It's their choice," said Susan Peal, director of the National Letter of Intent (NLI). "I think it's going more and more toward the electronic mode of transmission. I highly encourage it. You always have those old-school people who want to go through regular mail or fax. I don't think it's necessary because we do have a more efficient way to do it."

An informal survey of schools in the SEC, which has some of the most money to spend in college sports, shows the athletics departments are largely still using the fax machine on signing day.

A spokesman for LSU said signing day is essentially the only day the athletics department's fax machine gets used. LSU, Auburn, Alabama, South Carolina, Missouri, Vanderbilt, Georgia, Tennessee, Texas A&M, Ole Miss, Mississippi State and Florida responded that they primarily receive NLIs by fax.

Mississippi State said most of its other sports get PDF scans sent to them, but football still uses the fax to have a hard copy right away. Georgia said it has some instances of NLIs scanned and e-mailed. Florida has received NLIs electronically, particularly during the fall signing period, and said it's a preference by recruits. Alabama said it has an option for recruits to use e-mail.

In addition to allowing the NLI to be scanned and sent electronically, the NCAA now permits electronic signatures if it's a replica of a signature.

"It obviously has to be a signature," Peal said. "What it can't be is any acknowledgment where you just type it in and it ends up being the same for anybody. So in electronic form, it could be scanned in, pasted in, or signing it by their mouse. It's either actual signature pen to paper, or it's a replica of the signature."

Eugene Byrd, a Birmingham man who oversaw the NLI program as an SEC associate commissioner in the early 2000s, has been trying for several years to launch an electronic-signature service called Esigningday. Byrd has estimated electronic signatures would save schools $15,000 a year and cut processing time by 80 percent by streamlining the process without paper.

Byrd and the NLI program have gone back and forth for several years on whether universities can use his program, which he's now trying to sell for $8,500 per school. Byrd said his password-protected Esigningday has now met the standards by the NLI program after eliminating a function allowing recruits to type their name and ensuring there's a replica signature.

"It's easy now," Byrd said. "You open up the e-mail, click the link and use your finger. It has a signing space and signs like you do on paper."

Peal said she could not say whether the NLI program would accept letters of intent from Esigningday, which doesn't have deals with any universities at this time.

"I don't have his program in front of me to even be tested out," she said. "I've seen some demos early on when he was developing it. I know he was trying to get it to the point to have a replica signature."

Mike Pugh, vice president of marketing for eFax, said fax use globally is pretty flat but entrenched in work places involving law, real estate, accounting and medicine. Companies such as eFax now have electronic signatures built into faxes.

The relevance of the fax machine on signing day comes down to the work flow of people who don't deal with these types of documents much, Pugh said.

"For a lot of guardians and athletes, this may be the most important document any of them deal with," he said. "You can imagine asking some kid to ask their mom whether they're running Chrome or Firefox on a home computer and realize if they have the wrong browser, maybe something doesn't work right."

Byrd, whose Esigningday service was once tested by a soccer player at Division II Gannon University, said he learned athletics department administrators "don't know any better" about technology. So lately, he's pitching the product directly to coaches and attended the American Football Coaches Association convention in January.

"What I've discovered is I'm selling to a group of three," Byrd said. "Compliance is the one that really manages the process. The coaches are going to be users. And the AD is going to be the one that writes the check for it. If I can get football on board, then everybody else is going to be on board."




Posted by MightyYat
StB Garden District
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 1/27/16 at 9:18 am to
It's crazy really. With smartphones and tablets we've completely eliminated the fax machine in our rather large office. Our field employees use the OFfice Lens app and just take a pic and email or text docs into the office. We haven't used the fax in almost 2 years now.
This post was edited on 1/27/16 at 9:18 am
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91836 posts
Posted on 1/27/16 at 9:20 am to
Faxes get some undue hate IMO. I work in the financial industry and we use it all the time. Plus, most faxes are done electronically now. I just send an email with an attachment to the phone number and get an electronic delivery receipt in minutes.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 1/27/16 at 9:20 am to
quote:

it still cracks me up that a fax is still being used. Boils down to tradition, it seems.
It cracks me up that there are people who think this. Fax is used way more than you realize and the arguments against it are among the most ignorant I have ever read.
Posted by Pilot Tiger
North Carolina
Member since Nov 2005
74017 posts
Posted on 1/27/16 at 9:23 am to
fax to email is pretty huge still
Posted by Duckie
Tippy Toe, Louisiana
Member since Apr 2010
24314 posts
Posted on 1/27/16 at 9:24 am to
quote:

I know we joke about this every year, but it still cracks me up that a fax is still being used. Boils down to tradition, it seems.


I used to be annoyed at it, but I now love it. I wish they showed coaches sitting there waiting as the fax was printing.

It's like 1996 dial up.

With that said, I still use a fax machine daily for legal documents
This post was edited on 1/27/16 at 9:27 am
Posted by sicboy
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 1/27/16 at 9:25 am to
Which is pretty much scan to email, correct? I haven't actually sent a "fax" in years, so maybe it's just the used terminology that seems dated.

I don't know if it happens every year, but I want to say I'd commonly hear about issues of someone's fax machine being done and a NLI not being received.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 1/27/16 at 9:28 am to
If I was down to a 50/50 choice and one would let me slap it on a fax and the other would make me scan, save, attach and email.

I would take the school that valued my time.
Posted by Team Vote
DFW
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 1/27/16 at 9:30 am to
quote:

I just send an email with an attachment to the phone number and get an electronic delivery receipt in minutes.


Metrofax FTW
Posted by bwallcubfan
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2007
39159 posts
Posted on 1/27/16 at 9:30 am to
quote:

With that said, I still use a fax machine daily for legal documents


I use a fax machine maybe once or twice a year at my job. Always takes me about 10 mins to figure it out. Never can remember if it takes the area code or if you have to put a 1 before it or whatever. Usually takes a couple tries and usually ruins my day.
Posted by sicboy
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 1/27/16 at 9:33 am to
So legally, is a fax more recognized than a scanned copy? Neither one is the original.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 1/27/16 at 9:43 am to
quote:

So legally, is a fax more recognized than a scanned copy?
Think about what you are saying. A fax machine is just a scanner that does the job in fewer steps. See foot's post above.
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
162843 posts
Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:01 am to
try dealing with the IRS without a fax machine
Posted by Mr.Perfect
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2013
17603 posts
Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:04 am to
quote:

Byrd has estimated electronic signatures would save schools $15,000 a year and cut processing time by 80 percent by streamlining the process without paper.

Byrd and the NLI program have gone back and forth for several years on whether universities can use his program, which he's now trying to sell for $8,500 per school


Posted by McCaigBro69
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Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:04 am to
I know law enforcement in Texas will only send out official statements to the media through fax, only of course if there isn't a press conference or anything else.
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
162843 posts
Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:12 am to
quote:

Byrd has estimated electronic signatures would save schools $15,000 a year


would like to see the math behind that one
Posted by Duckie
Tippy Toe, Louisiana
Member since Apr 2010
24314 posts
Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:23 am to
quote:

try dealing with the IRS without a fax machine


yup. either via snail mail or fax. period.

but really, faxing into a major corporation or government office is the most frustrating thing ever. They either lose it or it doesn't go through. With email, you at least get a confirmation that it was sent, a copy of what was sent, and a time stamp.

With a fax all you get was confirmation that something was sent at a certain date and time.
This post was edited on 1/27/16 at 10:29 am
Posted by fouldeliverer
Lannisport
Member since Nov 2008
13538 posts
Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:30 am to
Too many replies without pics of fax girls.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
87339 posts
Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:34 am to
quote:

but really, faxing into a major corporation or government office is the most frustrating thing ever. They either lose it or it doesn't go through. With email, you at least get a confirmation that it was sent, a copy of what was sent, and a time stamp.

I have the opposite experience. Faxes to my biggest client get scanned in(yeah ) by claim #. The proper rep cannot avoid having it in his/her file. An email could go to an address of someone who no longer has that assignment or has left the company without me knowing. A result may be needed in a certain period of time. That has caused me some problems in the past.
Posted by Mr.Perfect
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2013
17603 posts
Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:50 am to
No kidding.
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