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Wood Shutters - What do I need to know?

Posted on 4/26/21 at 10:11 am
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 4/26/21 at 10:11 am
About to build wood shutters for my house, just curious if someone has any tips or things that they have learned they I may not have thought of

my plan:

- use 1x4 pine
- cut and assemble all shutters
- take apart and stain all pieces individually
- use Cedarcide on all pieces individually
- install

obviously shutters are pretty easy to build, but how can I maximize the life of these?
Posted by TheBoo
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Posted on 4/26/21 at 10:28 am to
Don't skimp on hardware. Quality hinges and latches make a big difference over time. You get what you pay for.
Posted by gumbo2176
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Posted on 4/26/21 at 11:42 am to
You say pine-----regular or treated????

If treated, make sure it is dry before using as it tends to twist and cup as it dries.

If using untreated pine, make sure to seal the crap out of the end grain because that is where water will want to penetrate the surface the easiest, especially the top edge of the end grain.

Use at least stainless steel or treated, made for exterior use screws and other fasteners when assembling.


Don't be surprised if once built, finished and installed that they still cup when exposed to the summer heat.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 4/26/21 at 11:45 am to
quote:

You say pine-----regular or treated????


non treated because treated pine warps like crazy

Posted by CatfishJohn
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Posted on 4/26/21 at 11:47 am to
quote:

You say pine-----regular or treated????

If treated, make sure it is dry before using as it tends to twist and cup as it dries.

If using untreated pine, make sure to seal the crap out of the end grain because that is where water will want to penetrate the surface the easiest, especially the top edge of the end grain.

Use at least stainless steel or treated, made for exterior use screws and other fasteners when assembling.


Don't be surprised if once built, finished and installed that they still cup when exposed to the summer heat.



Would a fix for this be to let them sit out in a bunch summer heat days (no rain) before sealing and painting?
Posted by TheBoo
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Posted on 4/26/21 at 11:58 am to
quote:

Would a fix for this be to let them sit out in a bunch summer heat days (no rain) before sealing and painting?

A fix would be use cedar or cypress.
Posted by gumbo2176
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Posted on 4/26/21 at 12:07 pm to
quote:

A fix would be use cedar or cypress.


Spanish cedar is the real option, but expensive as hell to buy.

I've had cypress twist and cup on me in the past, so I would not use cypress. Well, new cypress that is. Old growth, reclaimed cypress is good to go as it is way more stable.

I've had new growth cypress shutters cup on a building I made them for in the Quarter over 20 years ago. Made them and the painters painted them and hung them and within 6 months I had to remake most of them due to cupping and used Spanish Cedar with no further problems.
Posted by gumbo2176
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Posted on 4/26/21 at 12:22 pm to
quote:

Would a fix for this be to let them sit out in a bunch summer heat days (no rain) before sealing and painting?


I've done this before when building large trellises for heavy vines like wisterias. I bought the treated lumber and stick stacked it for air circulation between boards and let it dry for several weeks before even cutting it to dimension and also notching and drilling it for assembly. Even then, you're going to have some of it go wonky on you.

I never paint or stain treated unless it's been air dried for a while or the paint won't really last too long as moisture messes with the finish.
Posted by CatfishJohn
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Posted on 4/26/21 at 12:55 pm to
I'm about to build a farmhouse table for outside. Should I cut the boards and let them weather before putting them together? Or should I assemble it and just wait a few months to stain and seal like a fence?

Was going to just use cedar.
Posted by gumbo2176
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Posted on 4/26/21 at 3:13 pm to
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Should I cut the boards and let them weather before putting them together?


If using treated lumber, you don't want to cut it to size since if it is wet, it will shrink a bit.

Just stick stack your lumber so it gets good air circulation and out of the weather and let it air dry before making your cuts.

When I did a large trellis for a friend, complete with a 4 ft. swing under it, I bought the treated lumber and used 4 x 6 for the main posts, 2 x 6 for the top framing, lots of 2 x 4 and 2 x 2's for the framework so their large wisteria could climb on it without breaking it apart.

I stacked that lumber for over 2 months before cutting it and for the first week there was always a puddle under the lumber where it had dripped since it was freshly out the plant from being treated.

You start building with something that wet and when it dries all your joints will open up as the wood shrinks and look very unprofessional and like crap.

I have a back shed with a metal roof that gets well over 100 degrees in the summer and if doing a project around that time, I'll stick stack that lumber in the shed to dry out quicker.

For an outdoor project it doesn't have to be as dry as wood you'd use to build a piece of furniture for inside your house, but it needs to be dry enough so the finish will adhere well and last much longer.

If using cedar, it should be dry enough to start construction right away since it isn't chemically treated like most pine products would be.
Posted by Coon
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Posted on 4/26/21 at 3:40 pm to
KDAT (kiln dried after treatment) pine is what you should go with. Not cypress.

For hardware, this stuff is great:

https://www.hardwaresolutions-la.com/
Posted by Bayou
Boudin, LA
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Posted on 4/26/21 at 7:32 pm to
Give paint some serious thought instead of staining
Posted by Cracker
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Posted on 4/26/21 at 9:05 pm to
They will warp and look like shite in no time I wouldn’t build a fire with pine to burn a witch it won’t work it will fail. Look around find a sawmill get cypress green or dry won’t matter I would do that before I built them out of pine unless it was reclaimed heart pine.
Posted by GeauxldMember
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Posted on 4/26/21 at 10:48 pm to
quote:

KDAT (kiln dried after treatment) pine is what you should go with.


Yep. And, OP, use 5/4 stock for stability. One by is more likely to twist or warp.

I would price out Spanish cedar. The price likely hasn’t skyrocketed like the more common building materials (including KDAT) have, so you might be able to get into it for not all that much more.
Posted by VanRIch
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Posted on 4/27/21 at 9:43 am to
I'm about to build my own as well. I will be fabricating my own hardware and am thinking of using these cedar boards. I will be painting them. Thoughts?
Posted by GeauxldMember
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Posted on 4/27/21 at 10:01 am to
Those boards are only 5/8”. I would recommend 5/4 stock (~1”) for stability.
Posted by Jon A thon
Member since May 2019
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Posted on 4/27/21 at 10:39 am to
Where are you getting 5/4 stock that isn't rough lumber? I'm in Houston and have more options than most to lumber suppliers and 5/4 isn't exactly common (although it is available). And if they have it, you'd have to pay more to have it milled down.

My input into this is really having wood that is acclimated to the climate....then milled partially to remove stress....then fully milled to final dimensions after a brief "re-acclimation". But most DIY'ers don't have the time and/or tools to do that. Additionally, I'd be using an appropriate wood (Cedar, White Oak, African Mahogany, etc.) for outdoor use, which pine really isn't. But that will drive up the price for sure.

I used pine for a Kamado Table about 4 years ago when I first started messing around with woodworking projects. Covered it with Thompson's water seal and it's been under a patio since. It's still holds the BBQ pit and works, but I'd definitely not want it as an aesthetic part of my house. I just think shutters would be a lot of work to have them look terrible in a few years due to using pine.


quote:


am thinking of using these cedar boards. I will be painting them. Thoughts?


Those are S3S, or surfaced on 3 sides. The backside of the boards are still rough lumber. All of the box store cedar seems to be like that. So you may need a planer to get it truly "finished" prior to use. So they'll end up ~1/8 thinner in the end.
This post was edited on 4/27/21 at 10:49 am
Posted by VanRIch
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Posted on 4/27/21 at 11:11 am to
I'm ok with them being rough on the backside. I would only close them for bad weather/hurricanes. Is there a reason other than aesthetics that I should finish the backside?
Posted by GeauxldMember
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Posted on 4/27/21 at 11:17 am to
5/4 cedar is most likely going to be rough, unless you pay the yard to surface it or do it yourself.

I will say that Riverside in NOLA East has both KDAT and Spanish cedar in 5/4x6 beaded T&G in a couple or 3 profiles that they specifically run for shutter stock. It’s for a board and batten shutter in the style below. Give Charles over there a call and he’ll help ya out if that’s something anyone is interested in.

Looking back, that would make life ultra easy. I beaded all the stock on my shutters myself on the shaper at my cousin’s shop and it was a lot of damn work.



Posted by Jon A thon
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Posted on 4/27/21 at 11:23 am to
It's just makes it a little more difficult during assembly if you aren't working with good square, finished pieces. Not sure what your construction method would be, but you lose a little precision in lining things up. Probably not the end of the world. If using more complex joinery methods things just won't come out very good at all.
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