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What’s up with my grass? Turned brown all of a sudden..

Posted on 9/1/20 at 6:53 pm
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
27689 posts
Posted on 9/1/20 at 6:53 pm
And it’s got this flaky stuff on it... looks like my grass has dandruff. And when you look close, that dandruff is suspended in what looks like a layer of spider web all over the grass.





This post was edited on 9/3/20 at 1:58 pm
Posted by ronk
Member since Jan 2015
6928 posts
Posted on 9/1/20 at 6:58 pm to
Sod Webworms
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Get talstar and a backpack.
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
27689 posts
Posted on 9/1/20 at 7:20 pm to
Thanks. Did a little research after reading your post... you seem to be spot on.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 9/1/20 at 7:37 pm to
Sod worms are terrible this year. Maybe the warm winter? Idk
Posted by jmtigers
1826.71 miles from USC
Member since Sep 2003
4984 posts
Posted on 9/1/20 at 7:45 pm to
Can st aug recover without insecticides?
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5600 posts
Posted on 9/1/20 at 8:11 pm to
quote:

Sod worms are terrible this year. Maybe the warm winter? Idk

Listening to Dan Gill’s (retired LSU Ag Center consumer horticulturist extension agent) WWL Gardening Show radio program this past weekend, he stated in his 30+ year career sod worms could expected to be a problem once every several years, but they’ve been a problem annually for the past few years, and though they are not sure of the cause(s), he stated it looks to him that homeowners are now going to have expect annual issues and lawn treatment to mitigate the sod web worm problem.
This post was edited on 9/2/20 at 10:42 am
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5600 posts
Posted on 9/1/20 at 8:21 pm to
quote:

Can st aug recover without insecticides?


Here is an excerpt from a article Dan Gill wrote on sod web worms (sorry I can’t link the entire article as it’s not posted on the web) that might help answer your question

“ WHAT CAN YOU DO ABOUT TURF RECOVERY
There is some good news in this. The caterpillars only eat the blades of grass. They do not damage the runners, roots or growing points. As a result, as bad as the lawn looks recovery is generally reliable.

When damage occurs in mid to late summer, fertilizing with a lawn fertilizer containing nitrogen should help the sod webworm damaged turfgrass recover. In most cases, turf grows back with plenty of moisture and fertilizer.

However, weak St. Augustinegrass may not recover from tropical sod webworm damage, and newly emerging seeded bermudagrasses can be seriously damaged.

The later in the season the damage happens, the less recovery you will see in the lawn before winter dormancy. Lawns damaged in October, for instance, will not recover as fast as lawns damaged in July or August.

Sod webworm outbreaks do not tend to occur every year. Many years may go by between outbreaks. So, this is not something you should expect on an annual basis. But, when large numbers of small moths show up in lawns and shrubbery in mid to late summer, now you know what is going on and what to do.

Prepared by:
Dan Gill
LSU AgCenter
Consumer Horticulture Specialist

With information provided by:
Dr. Ron Strahan
LSU AgCenter
Turf Specialist. “
Posted by ronk
Member since Jan 2015
6928 posts
Posted on 9/1/20 at 9:08 pm to
Yes but why? Don’t let them destroy your lawn if you’ve worked hard to make it look nice. Talstar and wisdom are cheap. Get it, use it, kill them.

That’s a very good article posted by craw.
Posted by meeple
Carcassonne
Member since May 2011
10191 posts
Posted on 9/1/20 at 10:55 pm to
I spray Talstar at 1oz/gal and they just come back a day later. Has anyone successfully killed the moths with Talstar?
Posted by ronk
Member since Jan 2015
6928 posts
Posted on 9/1/20 at 11:14 pm to
It’s not the moths. It’s the larva that is eating the grass. Moths can fly their asses off all they want but Talstar has 30 day residual. The moths little shithead babies will die. More expensive but a 90 day residual is suspend polyzone.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
22404 posts
Posted on 9/1/20 at 11:41 pm to
I sprayed talstar 3 times since May and afternoon the hurricanes pushed through had the worst sod web worms I’ve ever seen. Not sure if the rain rinse it all away repeatedly all summer or what. The talstar definitely killed the moths almost overnight each time, but they kept coming back. The residual effect just didn’t last long at all.

I’ve throw down some grub killing granules so hopefully that nukes then for good.
Posted by ronk
Member since Jan 2015
6928 posts
Posted on 9/1/20 at 11:46 pm to
30 days under normal conditions. A hurricane certainly changes normal conditions. I’m in dfw and we are supposed to get 4 inches of rain in the next 72 hours. Normal conditions out the window. Bifenthrin will not damage your lawn. Spray as needed.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5600 posts
Posted on 9/2/20 at 10:53 am to
Couple more sections from the sod webworm article written by Dan Gil.

“ CONTROL OPTIONS FOR TROPICAL SOD WEBWORM
To make sure the eggs have hatched (the insecticides are not effective on the eggs), you need to wait for the first signs of damage to appear before treatment (don’t treat the moths). When you see damage appearing in the lawn, treat as soon as possible. A variety of insecticides are effective. Follow label directions carefully.

Spinosad (an organic insecticide) – Monterey Organic Garden Insect Spray; Ferti-lome Borer, Bagworm, Tent Caterpillar and Leafminer Spray; Green Light Spinosad Lawn and Garden Spray; Dow Spinosad Home and Garden, Success Naturalyte, Bonide Captain Jack’s Deadbug Brew and other brands.

Bifenthrin (a pyrethroid) – Talstar; Bifenthrin, Ortho Home Defense and other brands.

Acephate (systemic) – Acephate; Orthene and other brands.

Carbaryl – Carbaryl, Sevin “

“ TROPICAL SOD WEBWORM LIFE CYCLE
Moths are 0.5 to 0.75 inches long and have snout like projections on their heads. You see the moths fluttering over the turf and in bed areas nearby. This short-lived moth does not feed on the turf, and we do not spray insecticides to try and control them. But, the adults are responsible for laying eggs in the lawn grass that will hatch into grass eating caterpillars.

The eggs hatch in 7 to 10 days and the larvae begin feeding on the turf. The larvae (worms) can get up to 1 inch long and are light green to gray green with dark spots on their body. There is no characteristic inverted Y shape on the head of webworms like you see with armyworms, another caterpillar that feeds on Louisiana lawns.

The tropical sod webworm completes its development from egg to moth emergence in 5 to 6 weeks. The species overwinters as larvae in the soil. We could get 3 to 4 generations in a season. “


Posted by TheWiz
Third World, LA
Member since Aug 2007
11812 posts
Posted on 9/2/20 at 1:15 pm to
quote:

Sod worms are terrible this year. Maybe the warm winter? Idk


Friggin menaces. How much Bifen IT can one safely put in their yard before it is a toxic waste site?
Posted by LSU0358
Member since Jan 2005
8024 posts
Posted on 9/3/20 at 10:16 am to
Do sod webworms not harm bermuda? I had a pretty patch of st. augustine that took a hit while bermuda right next to it looks perfectly fine.
Posted by ronk
Member since Jan 2015
6928 posts
Posted on 9/3/20 at 10:51 am to
They will eat bermuda but they prefer St Aug
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
27689 posts
Posted on 9/3/20 at 2:03 pm to
Yesterday morning I went outside and looked at the grass real close, and yep, I saw many tiny green worms in the grass.

Treated the lawn last night.

Those little pests work fast. Literally turned the grass brown in a couple days.
This post was edited on 9/3/20 at 2:05 pm
Posted by MikeBRLA
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2005
16895 posts
Posted on 9/3/20 at 4:29 pm to
The good news is they are pretty easy to kill. Also they only eat the blades of the grass and not the root. Since there is no root damage the grass recovers pretty easy.
Posted by jmtigers
1826.71 miles from USC
Member since Sep 2003
4984 posts
Posted on 9/3/20 at 8:48 pm to
quote:

Do sod webworms not harm bermuda? I had a pretty patch of st. augustine that took a hit while bermuda right next to it looks perfectly fine.


I had the same but with st aug and centipede. They certainly prefer the st aug.
Posted by meeple
Carcassonne
Member since May 2011
10191 posts
Posted on 9/3/20 at 10:26 pm to
Anytime I start to see blade damage from larvae, I put out Anderson's Duocide. It kills them immediately and the grass easily and quickly recovers.
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