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Water heater future?
Posted on 11/12/24 at 11:27 am
Posted on 11/12/24 at 11:27 am
I'm not trying to get political, I'm just curious with the new administration will the electric tanked water heater restrictions be changing at all? I need to replace 80 gallon electric and its ridiculous you go from $600 for a 50 gallon to $2800 for a 65 or 80 just due to politics.
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Posted on 11/12/24 at 11:31 am to baldona
You're still several months out from seeing a change in the economic landscape.
Have you checked out pricing on an on-demand unit?
Have you checked out pricing on an on-demand unit?
Posted on 11/12/24 at 11:43 am to idlewatcher
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You're still several months out from seeing a change in the economic landscape.
Have you checked out pricing on an on-demand unit?
Yes. I just mean mine is older. I don't have to do it today, or next month. I was going to do it soon.
Part of the issue also is that the 60+ gallon are "light commercial" and have very poor warranty for residential use but more importantly I'm told are made differently due to not being expected to last 8-10 years or more. So there's more factor than just cost.
This is in a condo without gas available. I'm not interested in an electric on demand.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 12:53 pm to baldona
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I'm told are made differently due to not being expected to last 8-10 years or more.
That's no different. Everything today is built with planned obsolescence. You think the unions would allow things to be built today that will last 40 years?
Posted on 11/12/24 at 1:35 pm to baldona
Do you have gas or propane available?
Posted on 11/12/24 at 7:44 pm to baldona
I’m out of the loop, anyone have the cliff notes on this? TIA
Posted on 11/12/24 at 7:57 pm to PaBon
I have no idea what restrictions the OP is referring to, but we have (2) 50's for the bedroom end of the house.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 8:39 am to baldona
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I need to replace 80 gallon electric and its ridiculous you go from $600 for a 50 gallon to $2800 for a 65 or 80 just due to politics.
It's not just due to politics, 50-gallon units are cheaper than 30-gallon units in many cases. 40-gal and 50-gal water heaters are, by a large margin, the most popular sizes. True commercial-grade water heaters are always far more expensive too, insulation, stainless components, heavier duty parts, and if you really need a commercial-grade unit you probably don't worry about the cost as much as reliability and longevity. Also, you need to look at 1st-hour ratings as that might make a difference in what you actually need vs just buying a bigger unit.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 4:27 pm to Jmcc64
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I have no idea what restrictions the OP is referring to, but we have (2) 50's for the bedroom end of the house.
New government regulations have changed water heaters, similar to toilets 20 years ago. I don't know the exact changes, but basically any tanked unit over 60 gallons is now "commercial" and I don't know if they aren't technically allowed in new construction or what?
But 65 and 80 gallon tanked units used to be around $600-800 while a 50 gallon was $400-500. Now a 50 gallon is $600 and 65 and 80 gallon units are $2500-3000. You can no longer purchase an 80 gallon "residential" tanked unit, they are light commercial.
Very soon, in 2026 I think, all new tanked units will have to be "heat pump" units so my understanding is that even 50 gallon units will be $2000+.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 4:49 pm to Clames
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It's not just due to politics, 50-gallon units are cheaper than 30-gallon units in many cases. 40-gal and 50-gal water heaters are, by a large margin, the most popular sizes. True commercial-grade water heaters are always far more expensive too, insulation, stainless components, heavier duty parts, and if you really need a commercial-grade unit you probably don't worry about the cost as much as reliability and longevity. Also, you need to look at 1st-hour ratings as that might make a difference in what you actually need vs just buying a bigger unit.
For a family member that has a large tub.
I'm certainly not disagreeing that a "light commercial" grade should be more expensive, but my understanding is that you simply can not buy the old fashion standard residential anymore and in my shopping that is the case.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 4:54 pm to baldona
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I don't have to do it today, or next month. I was going to do it soon.
Shark Bite quick couplers were a huge timesaver for me. I hate messing with pipe flux.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 4:56 pm to baldona
Same issue here and I can’t use water from another heater without a bucket.
If they use the tub a lot, maybe just get a heater for it.
If they use the tub a lot, maybe just get a heater for it.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 4:57 pm to baldona
Did you check with your local plumbing supply companies? Don't buy the crap that Lowes and HD stock, they are truly bargain basement units. Local plumbing companies will stock nearly the same unit with a few important differences for about the same cost, but those minor differences make a big difference in the warranty coverage and period. Local supply shops will also stock older units and will probably sell you what you really need.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 4:57 pm to Dallaswho
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Same issue here and I can’t use water from another heater without a bucket.
If they use the tub a lot, maybe just get a heater for it.
Lol. Believe me I suggested to the wife they can heat up water on the stove
That didn't go over well...
Posted on 11/13/24 at 4:59 pm to Clames
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Did you check with your local plumbing supply companies? Don't buy the crap that Lowes and HD stock, they are truly bargain basement units. Local plumbing companies will stock nearly the same unit with a few important differences for about the same cost, but those minor differences make a big difference in the warranty coverage and period. Local supply shops will also stock older units and will probably sell you what you really need.
Yeah. This was Southern Pipe that told me the information. I thought it was just 80 gallon and up, so I was going to put in a 65. But its 60 and up or whatever, a 50 or 55 if available is not going to work.
Its just mind blowing that you go from $600 to $2800....for no reason other than government overreach.
ETA: FWIW they can't complain. Current unit is original to 97, lol. I can't believe insurance hasn't made them replace it years ago. Still works great! Just doing a minor remodel this winter and we want to put the new one in before its done next spring.
This post was edited on 11/13/24 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 11/13/24 at 5:01 pm to Shexter
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Shark Bite quick couplers were a huge timesaver for me. I hate messing with pipe flux.
Huge leak/flooding risk with those. I keep them on hand for emergency, temporary repairs only. Sweating copper is not difficult but with F1960 PEX systems available almost anywhere now along with press systems it's not absolutely needed.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 5:07 pm to baldona
A point-of-use electric booster might be a better investment. As for the standards you are talking about, they will only apply to new units built after May 2029 and hopefully Trump's administration will roll that back even further. Heat pump hybrid water heaters are not a good idea for most people unless it's planned into new construction or a major remodel.
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