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Posted on 3/6/21 at 10:14 am to
Posted by fjlee90
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 3/6/21 at 10:14 am to
I went with the premier to go with my pink lemonade blueberry. Will be planting in about 2 weeks. Interested to see how well I can keep the pH down.
Posted by PillageUrVillage
Mordor
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 3/6/21 at 10:16 am to
If you start seeds indoors they have to be slowly worked into full sun over a period of time. It’s called hardening off. Usually start out with 1 hour the first day and add an hour each day after that. After a week they should be hardened off. If you can move them, pull them out of the sun for a day and then start gradually exposing it again. The damaged parts are done for, but any new growth should be fine.
Posted by DarthTiger
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Posted on 3/6/21 at 6:31 pm to
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Posted by Mr Sausage
Cat Spring, Texas
Member since Oct 2011
12810 posts
Posted on 3/6/21 at 8:22 pm to
So I got 4 rows in out of the 10 planned. This is a new garden. My two 12 years helped most of the morning. I introduced my right elbow to the barbed wire fence pull starting the tiller. The folks we bought the place from had this giant manure pile that has been sitting for 5 years. We are top dressing each row with this stuff. My arms and back are feeling it this evening. Hope I can get out of bed tomorrow morning to finish the rows. Potatoes will go in next weekend. Deer fence goes up next weekend also. I was planning to do it today but locating 10 ft metal t posts was harder than previously expected.
Posted by awestruck
Member since Jan 2015
10947 posts
Posted on 3/7/21 at 6:44 am to
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giant manure pile
what type?



((horse !!!!))
Posted by Fox McCloud
Member since Oct 2020
3525 posts
Posted on 3/7/21 at 7:01 am to
Just planted sweet viburnums. Should I be watering everyday for awhile till they establish themselves?
Posted by Mr Sausage
Cat Spring, Texas
Member since Oct 2011
12810 posts
Posted on 3/7/21 at 8:29 am to
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Posted by Columbia
Land of the Yuppies
Member since Mar 2016
3133 posts
Posted on 3/7/21 at 10:14 am to
Let’s talk garden pests.

Is it possible to raise a quality garden without pesticides in the south? I typically dust my garden, but I brought home a couple beehives from my bee yard. I’d love for these beehives to benefit my garden, but I don’t know how to accomplish this without seven dust.
This post was edited on 3/7/21 at 10:24 am
Posted by PillageUrVillage
Mordor
Member since Mar 2011
14794 posts
Posted on 3/7/21 at 11:07 am to
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Is it possible to raise a quality garden without pesticides in the south?


Given that the definition of pesticide can be pretty broad, I'd say probably not.

quote:

I typically dust my garden, but I brought home a couple beehives from my bee yard. I’d love for these beehives to benefit my garden, but I don’t know how to accomplish this without seven dust


I've been using pollinator friendly organic methods for years. The key is to apply at the right time. That time being when the bees aren't active in your garden. Very early in the morning, very late in the evening, or at night. I usually opt for late in the evening because that is the best time for me. I've been using neem oil (which shouldn't harm bees even if sprayed directly on them), thuricide (also won't harm bees), and pyrethrin (will kill bees) for years and I continue to see bees in and around the garden. Spinosad can also be used as long as it is sprayed at the right times. You'll just have to be a little more persistent.

You could probably continue to use Sevin as long as you keep it away from blooms, but personally I wouldn't chance it. You could definitely still use it on the ground for crawling insects if you'd like. Avoid spraying anything that has a long residual.
Posted by Mr Sausage
Cat Spring, Texas
Member since Oct 2011
12810 posts
Posted on 3/7/21 at 2:25 pm to
And the rows are complete. I need one those cool row making tools. My tiller and take about kicked my arse. Deer fence material is in except for the metal posts.

Seed potatoes are cut and healing prior to planting next weekend.

Beautiful weekend here in Texas. Way better than snow and ice.
Posted by PillageUrVillage
Mordor
Member since Mar 2011
14794 posts
Posted on 3/7/21 at 2:40 pm to
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Beautiful weekend here in Texas.


Same here in Louisiana.

Unfortunately I had to work for most of it. I’m home now and am about to go out in the garden with a beer. Sounds like you got a lot done! Gonna be time to relax and enjoy the bounty soon.
This post was edited on 3/7/21 at 2:42 pm
Posted by bluemoons
the marsh
Member since Oct 2012
5515 posts
Posted on 3/7/21 at 4:51 pm to
The only thing I use Sevin on are squash and zucchini. It’s the only way I’ve been able to keep the plants from getting demolished by borers. I use a turkey baster to apply the dust directly to the stem. I keep it away from the blooms. Bees still pollinate the flowers and I haven’t seen any dead ones.
Posted by Piebald Panther
Member since Aug 2020
477 posts
Posted on 3/7/21 at 5:58 pm to
I use a full range of pesticides organic and non and have bees within 50 feet of my plots. I’ve never seen or had issues.

I prefer sprays over dust because you can better pinpoint the treatment. Spray in the evening when they’re done feeding and when there’s no wind to carry drift.
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
12718 posts
Posted on 3/7/21 at 6:55 pm to
quote:

Is it possible to raise a quality garden without pesticides in the south?

Without synthetic pesticides? Sure.

Without any pesticides period? Maybe, but it's hard.

I use almost strictly organic pesticides (neem, copper fungicide, etc.), but I also try to promote beneficial insects like lady bugs, lace wings, predatory wasps, and the occasional mantid by providing habitat for them, whether that be food sources or cover. If you follow IPM principles, pesticides are always the last resort.

Hell, I'm going to plant my squash later this year just to try to beat the squash vine borers by planting after they have done most of their business. They destroyed me last year. Pesticides don't do any good on them, so I'm making the change in a "cultural" practice to beat the pesky bastards.
This post was edited on 3/7/21 at 6:56 pm
Posted by PillageUrVillage
Mordor
Member since Mar 2011
14794 posts
Posted on 3/7/21 at 7:31 pm to
Well I had enough daylight to get my Beefmasters in the ground today. All of my tomatoes are now planted out. Couldn’t wait any longer.

I think I’ll try to plant out all of my peppers and eggplant next weekend as long as the forecast is favorable. And I’ll probably start direct sowing beans and cucumbers the week after.
Posted by Piebald Panther
Member since Aug 2020
477 posts
Posted on 3/7/21 at 9:06 pm to
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Pesticides don't do any good on them


You have to prevent them by following a treatment schedule. Planting open habit plants will help as well because there’s not a dense canopy to get through. I plant approximately 400 vines a year and haven’t had trouble with them after switching to open upright plants.
Posted by Baers Foot
Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns
Member since Dec 2011
3543 posts
Posted on 3/8/21 at 11:01 am to
I'm going to be prepping a spot in my yard to build a 4x4 sq. ft. garden for the kids and I to work on this spring. I'm going to use the AgCenter's vegetable planning guide, but do any of you have any recommendations on big box store soil and fertilizer that can get me up and running quickly?

New to the thread, so apologies if this has been covered ad nauseum.
Posted by PillageUrVillage
Mordor
Member since Mar 2011
14794 posts
Posted on 3/8/21 at 11:59 am to
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4x4 sq. ft. garden for the kids


How tall will it be? 10-12” should need about a half yard of soil.

quote:

have any recommendations on big box store soil


Do you have a pickup truck? And are you in the Lafayette area? Cause I can recommend a few places to get bulk garden soil that will not only be far superior to what you can get at the box stores, but also cheaper.
Posted by Baers Foot
Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns
Member since Dec 2011
3543 posts
Posted on 3/8/21 at 12:21 pm to
I do have a pickup truck.

Also, was gonna build the box out of 1x6's, so only 6''

Unless they should be at least 10'' tall
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
12718 posts
Posted on 3/8/21 at 1:08 pm to
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Cause I can recommend a few places to get bulk garden soil that will not only be far superior to what you can get at the box stores, but also cheaper.

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