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Starting prairie type field

Posted on 3/11/24 at 7:12 am
Posted by trident
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Posted on 3/11/24 at 7:12 am
I want to establish a prairie type field in south LA on about 1/2 acre. What do I need to do to get this going? the part of land I want this on has full sun but does get wet, is a lower lying area. I just dont want to have to cut this with the mower and want wild flowers and those type grasses

Posted by RaginCajunz
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 3/11/24 at 8:23 am to
I know there is a movement to reestablish the SW LA prairies. These folks may be of some use

Cajun Prairie Habitat Preservaton Society
Posted by bluemoons
the marsh
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/11/24 at 8:59 am to
I posted this thread awhile back and there is some good info in it. I wound up buying bulk native grass and wildflower seeds and spreading them. The guy I bought them from (referenced in the thread) noted that it would take a couple of years to get going. This is the second spring since I broadcasted everything, so we'll see. I definitely don't have a pine savannah yet .

LINK /
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 3/11/24 at 9:26 am to
LINK
LA Native Seed Company
Posted by trident
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 3/11/24 at 10:13 am to
Awesome! Thanks for the link
Posted by Stexas
SWLA
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Posted on 3/11/24 at 11:12 am to
Man I remember that thread, didn't realize it was that long ago... do you have any updated pictures? I have 6 acres that is useless and relatively low that I'd love to consider an alternative to mowing regularly
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
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Posted on 3/11/24 at 11:32 am to
there is a note in bluemoons' previous thread about fire...i want to emphasize that as much as possible as not only preferred, but required. and actually, when you read the best practices that LA Seed sends out with their prairie restoration stuff, they say burn it every year in the winter.

so i did a little experiment in two places in my yard. in a big bed-like area i spread a bad of seed, let it do its thing over the summer/fall, then hit it with a weed torch this winter. it has exploded this spring...not exaggerating at all. it is a lush (but still low, its early) carpet of prairie grass and returning wildflower plants

the other area is a location where i've always had a burn pile. due to the drought, it sat all summer and just got bigger, and was eventually colonized by goldenrod. a month or so ago i burned it, and the goldenrod sprouting exploded, everywhere. i probably will dig most of it out and throw it on my ditch bank, but you get the idea
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 3/11/24 at 11:42 am to
Converting to prairie is hard without fire. The invasives have such a stranglehold at this point that they outcompete what natives you are trying to get to grow. Japanese honeysuckle is one of the worst, along with non-native grasses. They grow faster and taller than most native species, shading the ground, stopping germination, and starving out what plants do germinate.

Depending on the condition of the spot you want to convert, fire may be crucial.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 3/11/24 at 11:46 am to
OP, Native Habitat Project on YouTube is a good follow. He's in my neck of the woods and has gotten a pretty big following now.
This post was edited on 3/11/24 at 11:47 am
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 3/11/24 at 12:51 pm to
What is there now?

If you have any kind of sod grass, you will need to kill it before establishing prairie plants. And that process takes about a year to do it effectively.

I'm working on a 5 acre prairie restoration myself. There's all sorts of information out there, and everyone has their own opinion on the subject. You can spend a fortune trying to establish prairie depending on who you listen to.
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 3/11/24 at 12:53 pm to
quote:

they say burn it every year in the winter.


Which is crazy, because our fire season isn't typically the winter, and that burn frequency contributes to lower Conservatism in the prairie. Most of the prairie endemic species are on the higher end of the Conservatism scale, which means they aren't fond of frequent disturbance.
This post was edited on 3/11/24 at 12:54 pm
Posted by trident
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 3/11/24 at 1:01 pm to
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What is there now?


clover and st aug grass mostly. I am just going to Round-up the area and go from there. Then keep mowing at 6" height for 2 years, should be good by year 2.5ish
Posted by trident
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 3/11/24 at 1:03 pm to
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. Japanese honeysuckle



I lived here for 40 years and thought this was native my whole life! geez
Posted by cgrand
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Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 3/11/24 at 1:19 pm to
at this point, it kinda is.
its been introduced since the early 1900's, so its not going anywhere and its so ubiquitous that whatever changes it has made to the plant hierarchy around it have done what they are going to do. so just dont spread it, and pull it out where you dont want it.

i actually transplanted some of it in one of my beds, but theres a hard border at my driveway and if it gets a little too wooly i just kneecap it and it gets back under control. but i eradicated it where it was growing among my trees
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 3/11/24 at 1:27 pm to
quote:

clover and st aug grass mostly. I am just going to Round-up the area and go from there.

Burn it down a few times. Anyone that knows anything about prairie establishment will tell you the same thing--sod grasses will choke out a prairie in a hurry. Those plants need time to establish, and sod grasses spread alot quicker than prairie plants can establish.

You almost need a clean seedbed in order to get prairie going.

Thankfully, St. Aug isn't nearly as bad as bahia or bermuda, and clover isn't going to have a major impact as a cool season plant.
Posted by trident
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 3/11/24 at 1:31 pm to
quote:

Burn it down a few times


Ok so round up, scrape as low as i can go, rake and burn


I will do that
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
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Posted on 3/11/24 at 1:43 pm to
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Ok so round up, scrape as low as i can go, rake and burn
please consider that you dont really need a broadcast application of roundup. you can remove the lawngrass by mechanical means, and if you burn it afterwards. or...you can smother the grass (which is what i do). feel free to spot treat any invasives like tallow, privet, blackberry, etc

might take a little longer, might be a little more work, but its better for you, your yard, and your prairie planting
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
53745 posts
Posted on 3/11/24 at 1:45 pm to
quote:

Burn it down a few times. Anyone that knows anything about prairie establishment will tell you the same thing--sod grasses will choke out a prairie in a hurry. Those plants need time to establish, and sod grasses spread alot quicker than prairie plants can establish.

You almost need a clean seedbed in order to get prairie going.

Fire at the right time is important. Burn it in the Winter or early Spring and it will burn hot enough to take out (or at least knock down) the undesirables, but the ground has enough moisture to keep the seed bed cool letting what seed are there survive. Burning when it is too dry with lots of fuel creates a really hot fire that can kill the seed bed.

Seeds from many natives can survive for years and years, waiting for conditions to improve.
Posted by bluemoons
the marsh
Member since Oct 2012
5505 posts
Posted on 3/11/24 at 1:50 pm to
quote:

Man I remember that thread, didn't realize it was that long ago... do you have any updated pictures? I have 6 acres that is useless and relatively low that I'd love to consider an alternative to mowing regularly


Not that are worth sharing really. I have noticed that there are some larger patches of grass that have germinated and started growing over the last month. I'm going to spread some triple 13 over the next month or so. Marc Pastorek told me to bushhog the first year my grasses got to knee height, so that's my plan for this spring. Everyone advised me that I should do a prescribed burn, but I couldn't get LSU AG to play ball with it and I don't know enough about it to go for it on my own.
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
12712 posts
Posted on 3/11/24 at 1:58 pm to
quote:

Fire at the right time is important

Sure, but bahia and bermudagrass don't mind fire.

Plenty of universities doing research on this very subject, as well as federal agencies.

A burn in South Louisiana will very seldom be enough to keep bahia or bermuda at bay while establishing prairie vegetation.
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