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re: P trap help - how would you repair?

Posted on 3/20/24 at 9:21 am to
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
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Posted on 3/20/24 at 9:21 am to
quote:

So I don’t need 2” because there’s a disposal? 1 1/2” will still work?


yes every house ever built all use 1 1/2" p-traps for sinks

but you may need the down pipe from the sink that has the dishwasher hose connector built into it if you dont already have it.


this is what that looks like LINK
Posted by VanRIch
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Posted on 3/20/24 at 9:33 am to
This is a prep sink on our island. No dishwasher
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
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Posted on 3/20/24 at 11:05 am to
quote:

This is a prep sink on our island. No dishwasher



ok yes, 1 1/2 for everything, no matter what it has

i got dishwasher or disposal mixed up in my head


just be sure to turn off the water lines under the sink so no one turns water on while you are under there working. and yes women and girls will do that never thinking where the water will go lol
This post was edited on 3/20/24 at 11:07 am
Posted by White Bear
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Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 3/20/24 at 12:00 pm to
Is there or should there be a gasket at A-X-C?

Put a something to catch the drip baw. That shite will last decades.
This post was edited on 3/20/24 at 12:02 pm
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
30080 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 12:22 pm to
quote:

Is there or should there be a gasket at A-X-C?


no he used different parts of different p-traps and the threads and connections are different, so they dont seal, thats his issue
This post was edited on 3/20/24 at 12:25 pm
Posted by Jmcc64
alabama
Member since Apr 2021
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Posted on 3/20/24 at 4:50 pm to
You need to buy a standard P-trap kit (thin walled) and use an adapter glued to B. The kit will get you from the tailpiece to B. I think I did something similar on my island sink last year. that's my non expert opinion

the threaded thing glued into the T is the adapter. everything upstream is a P trap kit

LINK
This post was edited on 3/20/24 at 6:06 pm
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 3/20/24 at 5:09 pm to
I honestly think he just needs thread tape. I can’t tell exactly what sort of pipe and threads he has, but he said it screws all the way and still leaks. Which likely will be solved with thread tape or pipe dope. Keep the rest as is.

He is basically trying to make a water tight seal without tape, glue, dope, or anything and some threads that likely were as you said from different kits and not designed to screw together.
Posted by VanRIch
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Posted on 3/20/24 at 9:01 pm to
The threads are the same. Guys at Coburns confirmed it. The 90° piece that is glued in has some stripped threads.
Posted by AutoYes_Clown
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/20/24 at 10:02 pm to
I still stand by my post, the 90 needs to be replaced. I disagree with keaker in that I dont think there is enough pipe "B" to save and connect. Itd be fitting to fitting which I hate. Removing pipe "B" with a socket saver is simple.

Also, yes 1 1/2" even is only needed, but the original layout is 2" and its easy enough to match and replace with 2".

This is literally your exact scenario using the more expensive (Reed) socket saver, but its same principle with cheaper one:
Youtube Video LINK
Posted by Spankum
Miss-sippi
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 3/20/24 at 10:35 pm to
That nut “X” has got to have something under it to seal. It is usually some type of tapered interference fit like a ferrule. Whatever it is, be sure to use a new one. If you have to, dry it out well and smear the tiniest bit of silicone on the interference fit.
Posted by VanRIch
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Posted on 3/21/24 at 7:14 am to
Yeah, I saw a guy on YouTube using one of those socket savers, and thought to myself there is no way I wouldn’t frick up the other piece and then definitely have to call a plumber.
Posted by Cracker
in a box
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Posted on 3/21/24 at 7:29 am to
Tighten it up maybe use a little lube on the threads
Posted by White Bear
Yonnygo
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 3/21/24 at 8:34 am to
quote:

The threads are the same. Guys at Coburns confirmed it. The 90° piece that is glued in has some stripped threads.
then Teflon tape or that pipe dope shite ought to do it.
Posted by MrBobDobalina
BRo.LA
Member since Oct 2011
2993 posts
Posted on 3/21/24 at 9:25 am to
The OG plumber that installed this is who fricked you from the jump. Normally in houses the only thing that needs a 2" drain is a washing machine. If I was coming fix this at your house...I'm either

A.) Cutting out that Tee and replacing it with a 2x1-1/2" tee or
B.) Using a socket saver to remove pipe "B" out of the tee, and glueing a 2x1-1/2" bushing into the tee. You can see the bushing glued in to the top of fitting "C" currently

The fitting that is glued above C is called a trap adapter....it adapts from glue style to SJ (slip joint) to allow you to intall a slip joint trap. It has totally missed its purpose by being before the trap.

The trap adapter would be glued into the Tee where pipe "B" is currently, and all connections after that would be made leak free with hand tight + 1/4 turn.

Plumbing is easy to do but tricky to do right. This would be year 1 apprentice work at our shop. Defintiely do not just wrap it as that will not stop the leak and will encourage mold growth in the warm, still and dark of your cabinet space.

That'll be $175
Posted by VanRIch
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Posted on 3/21/24 at 9:42 am to
Here’s the full system:


I also noticed they put 2” under our main sink
Posted by MrBobDobalina
BRo.LA
Member since Oct 2011
2993 posts
Posted on 3/21/24 at 10:00 am to
I'll give them props for properly venting your island (chicago/loop vent) and not just throwing a studor vent under there.

If you want to avoid cutting in a tee or using the socket saver there is another option if you have the space.

For the record, nickel and dime repair (teflon/pipe dope) may also stop the leak but my brain doesn't work that way towards plumbing like it might towards trades I'm not as well versed in, and it wouldn't be considered a fix, just a bandaid.

The other option would be to cut out your recently installed p-trap as close to "A" as possible (give yourself some work space by unhooking the disposal). Leave as much of pipe "B" intact as you can. A 2" fitting needs a maximum of 3/4" for full insertion. If pipe "B" is 3/4" or more (a hair under that is fine too) glue a 2" coupling onto pipe "B". Glue a 2x1-1/2 bushing into the coupling. Glue an 1-1/2" male trap adapter into the coupling/bushing. Buy a $6 SJ P-trap from any hardware store and an 1-1/2" extension tailpiece to be sure you don't have to go back.

In a perfect world, all glue joints are behind a wall. Hope this helps. Tight spaces are never fun
This post was edited on 3/21/24 at 10:07 am
Posted by MrBobDobalina
BRo.LA
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 3/21/24 at 10:05 am to
Some states like NY and CA require 2" traps in kitchens, LA does not. Those states circumvent glue joints by using galvanized or cast iron fittings for drainage. Glue joints are much less forgiving as once they dry (obviously) you're stuck with what you have. SJ you can loosen and retighten forever. Its not neccesairily a bad thing to have 2 inch, it just kind of bastardizes the fittings as it is not standardized in our area.
Posted by VanRIch
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Posted on 3/21/24 at 10:29 am to
Here’s another view with everything disassembled, in case clarification is needed. Thanks so much for your help
A & B are original and glued together.
C & D are new parts that came together. Can’t use D.
Posted by MrBobDobalina
BRo.LA
Member since Oct 2011
2993 posts
Posted on 3/21/24 at 10:55 am to
If you have a hacksaw or sawzall, use it to remove ftg "A" by cutting through pipe "B" and leave as much of pipe "B" intact as possible. You want to get rid of that 90° while leaving as much of pipe "B" as you can.

The side of your blade should be touching "A" while you are cutting through "B". Then follow the steps from above with a coupling to repipe.

This will give you a trap adapter where ftg "A" is currently, and will allow you to use a SJ p trap instead of a glued trap.
Posted by VanRIch
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Posted on 3/21/24 at 11:09 am to
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