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New Freon for home AC
Posted on 6/25/23 at 5:40 pm
Posted on 6/25/23 at 5:40 pm
My AC unit is a R22 unit from 2000 that’s been giving me issues every year and I have a feeling will need to be changed out one day soon.
I’m hearing government is making them change Freon from R410 freon to a new one (maybe butane or propane??).
My worry is if they change to a new Freon, wouldn’t that make sourcing 410 freon start becoming harder and more expensive? I’d hate to buy a new 410 system now and then a few years from now have to replace it before it’s done because they don’t sell the Freon anymore.
Are there any AC guys that are in the know as far as what’s going on with the 410 Freon? And would it be a bad time to replace a unit right now due to this issue.
I’m hearing government is making them change Freon from R410 freon to a new one (maybe butane or propane??).
My worry is if they change to a new Freon, wouldn’t that make sourcing 410 freon start becoming harder and more expensive? I’d hate to buy a new 410 system now and then a few years from now have to replace it before it’s done because they don’t sell the Freon anymore.
Are there any AC guys that are in the know as far as what’s going on with the 410 Freon? And would it be a bad time to replace a unit right now due to this issue.
Posted on 6/25/23 at 6:06 pm to Nonc Chu Rouge
Though R410A is going the way of R-22 everything I’ve read in professional HVAC trade magazines and HVAC forums it’s anticipated to be available for a couple decades or more, it will be expensive though should you need it, but I gather all refrigerants are expensive nowadays even the new ones. There will certainly be substitute refrigerants that can be used in R410A systems such as there currently are for R-22 systems.
Many are asking the same question you are, should I wait for a new refrigerant system, and I’ve not seen where the HVAC trade, those that install or repair systems are recommending that people hold off replacement as they are being told R410A will be available for a long time.
You got your $$ out of that R-22 system - 23 years old.
Many are asking the same question you are, should I wait for a new refrigerant system, and I’ve not seen where the HVAC trade, those that install or repair systems are recommending that people hold off replacement as they are being told R410A will be available for a long time.
You got your $$ out of that R-22 system - 23 years old.
Posted on 6/25/23 at 7:38 pm to Nonc Chu Rouge
Most AC manufacturers are switching to R454B or R32, which has properties classified as A2L, meaning mildly flammable.Propane is in the future (probably 10 years or so) but work on those hasn't begun. I do know that R410 cost is going to go up next year and will continue to climb exponentially as R410a gets banned from normal unit production starting 1-1-25.
They will still sell R410a (since there is still a lot of units installed) but it won't be new production refrigerant, it will eventually be reclaimed refrigerant. And again, demand drives cost so there is that.
Unfortunately the units that use R32 or R454B won't be generally available until next year as the phase out begins.
You can thank the EPA and the Montreal Protocol(Kigali Amendment) for that one.
They will still sell R410a (since there is still a lot of units installed) but it won't be new production refrigerant, it will eventually be reclaimed refrigerant. And again, demand drives cost so there is that.
Unfortunately the units that use R32 or R454B won't be generally available until next year as the phase out begins.
You can thank the EPA and the Montreal Protocol(Kigali Amendment) for that one.
This post was edited on 6/25/23 at 7:41 pm
Posted on 6/25/23 at 9:39 pm to CrawDude
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Many are asking the same question you are, should I wait for a new refrigerant system, and I’ve not seen where the HVAC trade, those that install or repair systems are recommending that people hold off replacement as they are being told R410A will be available for a long time.
I have an old R22 unit from 2003 that's still kicking. A fellow HVAC friend of mine highly advised I change the compressor next year regardless of function due to the change on the horizon for 1-1-2025. He said the newer systems will have different pressure operating parameters and will be quite expensive. So if I can hop on a high-SEER rated R410 compressor before the big switch I'd save some cheese down the road.
Thoughts?
Posted on 6/25/23 at 11:30 pm to bapple
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I have an old R22 unit from 2003 that's still kicking. A fellow HVAC friend of mine highly advised I change the compressor next year regardless of function due to the change on the horizon for 1-1-2025. He said the newer systems will have different pressure operating parameters and will be quite expensive. So if I can hop on a high-SEER rated R410 compressor before the big switch I'd save some cheese down the road. Thoughts?
I’m actually having this same thing done on Wed at a house I inherited in Morgan City - outside condensing unit R-22 is 2004 but inside Furnace and Cased Evaporator Coil is 2015. Will change out the inside evaporator coil to the newer all aluminum coil but will retain the gas furnace as the heat exchanger is warranted for 20 years. New outside condensing unit will be Trane Seer 2 14. 3 ton unit. If you are curious about the cost - $5700 (condensing unit + Evap coil, 2 year labor warranty). Would probably be 2X here in BR lol
So It’s worth consideration - that 20 year old unit is not going last forever. Now you are aware that a R410A system has a much higher operating pressure than R-22, nearly 2X. But I don’t how the operating pressures on the newer R-32 and other refrigerants systems will compare to R410A though I think they are comparable. Need to read up on it.
This post was edited on 6/26/23 at 9:29 am
Posted on 6/26/23 at 8:40 am to UPGDude
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Propane is in the future (probably 10 years or so) but work on those hasn't begun.
Huh?
Posted on 6/26/23 at 9:26 am to TheBoo
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Huh?
Propane, R-290, is an excellent refrigerant, similar in preformance to R-22, and with a low Gobal Warming Potential (GWP). I think it’s currently limited to applications where less than 1 lb (500 grams) of refrigerant is used, like refrigerators and such, b/c of its ability to go “boom”. Wouldn’t want a leaky evaporator coil adjacent to one’s gas furnace.
Posted on 6/26/23 at 12:12 pm to CrawDude
I know. Propane has been used as a refrigerant for a very long time, so I was a little confused when he said it's coming in the future.
Posted on 6/26/23 at 2:06 pm to TheBoo
Propane, propylene, ethylene are nearly the only refrigerants used in large industrial applications. These new LNG plants on the coast are basically series of huge refrigeration systems.
This post was edited on 6/27/23 at 10:24 am
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