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re: Louisiana Tropical Fruit Gardening - Experiences and Updates

Posted on 11/19/25 at 1:17 pm to
Posted by wiltznucs
Apollo Beach, FL
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Posted on 11/19/25 at 1:17 pm to


Well; this is a first. Mango panicles in mid-November. This is a Nam Doc Mai. I didn’t allow it to hold fruit this Spring and it’s thrown out mixed blooms throughout the summer which I’ve trimmed back. The recent near freezing temperatures kicked it into overdrive.

The flowers haven’t emerged yet so no telling if it’s got both male and female flowers. Either way; it fruit does set we’ll need a very mild winter to have it work out. We’ll see…
Posted by Tigerlaff
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Posted on 11/19/25 at 9:02 pm to
Any sense in removing the panicles once it sets fruit and waiting for another round of flowering closer to spring?
Posted by wiltznucs
Apollo Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 11/19/25 at 10:30 pm to
So; my thinking at least at the moment is it’s dry AF. We’re in drought conditions here; which is ideal for minimizing powder mildew and anthracnose on the blooms. I’m going to let them ride. If I’m eating fresh mangoes in March-April; I’m not complaining. Odds are I’ll get a second late crop. I’m in uncharted territory; fingers crossed. My usual gauge which is Dwarf Hawaiian seems to be dormant. I’m seeing new flushes coming from CAC, Mahachanok and it looks like Angie plus Pickering may give me another flush too:
Posted by Neauxla
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 11/20/25 at 11:33 am to
quote:

I’m seeing new flushes coming from CAC, Mahachanok and it looks like Angie plus Pickering may give me another flush too:
I'm jealous. My pickerings, nam doc mai, and M-4 are all stagnant. Just gave them a sprinkle of osmocote this morning.
Posted by Tigerlaff
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Posted on 11/20/25 at 1:20 pm to
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I'm jealous. My pickerings, nam doc mai, and M-4 are all stagnant. Just gave them a sprinkle of osmocote this morning.


This is what you want. It should be too cool for flushing new growth but not cool enough to induce flowering. My Pickering and Cecilove are both flowering and I'm trying to figure out how to deal with it. We have 3 cold months ahead and this is not the right time to flower. I would not feed it as long as the leaves are looking green and healthy. You want to get to like late February and then let it feel the last week or two of 40F-50F nights to induce flowering at the very start of spring.

My trees are never going to be exposed to freezing temps, so the easiest thing to do would be for me to just let them fruit. I have very little confidence in the potential quality of any fruit that sets in December in Louisiana.
This post was edited on 11/20/25 at 1:27 pm
Posted by wiltznucs
Apollo Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 11/20/25 at 2:36 pm to
quote:

I'm jealous. My pickerings, nam doc mai, and M-4 are all stagnant. Just gave them a sprinkle of osmocote this morning.


This year has been very odd. The lack of tropical storms has us way below the usual rainfall totals. We’re 15 inches behind the historical averages and it shows. It’s dry as hell. Which is a bit worrisome because now is when we normally get into the real dry period that lasts from December to March. So we could go a full 6-7 months without much meaningful rainfall. I don’t see how the mango trees will thrive next year if that’s the case.

Then we got a freeze in early November which is a full month early. I ended up with some burned leaves on the mangos and avocados. This NDM kicked into bloom way too early as a result. I generally don’t see much flushing here after October. Yet; here we are with some trees pushing new growth.

Like I said; it’s all wacky this year. Fingers crossed that it all works out,
This post was edited on 11/20/25 at 2:37 pm
Posted by Tigerlaff
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 6:39 pm to
Since we are now in "winter" (82F today), I'm posting some indoor propagation pics. I really scaled back my seedling propagation this year because I have enough stuff and it's too much work in addition to maintaining the greenhouses.

First I've got grumichama seedlings coming along. Grumichama is a beautiful glossy leafed shrubby tree in the Eugenia genus that makes sweet cherry-like fruit. These took forever to start leafing out and it took applications of copper and sulfur to prevent mold while they were under the humidity dome. Of the 4 seeds planted, 3 made it. Normally I would just buy a big grumichama plant, but these are seeds of a very special yellow fleshed variety that you can't purchase anywhere online. The yellows are supposed to be even sweeter than the common purple fruit. They are not true to seed but apparently the yellow color is conserved about half the time, so the odds should be in my favor. I won't know for several years.

These are lemon cattley guava seedlings. Surprisingly all 9 sprouted and I will have to do a cull soon. Cattley guava grows pretty true to seed so these should be quality plants. I'm going to give these to people as gifts. They are just too delicious, tough, and cold tolerant not to share. Easiest subtropical fruit tree on earth that actually tastes good.

Also have a single red jaboticaba seed planted but no visible germination yet.

My 5th attempt at rooting tropical guava cuttings has failed once again. Will keep tweaking the method and trying to get some takes, but I'm fairly certain I'm just going to have to wait until spring and air layer a few mature branches.

Also, bonus mango panicle preparing to bloom.

This post was edited on 11/22/25 at 10:05 pm
Posted by wiltznucs
Apollo Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2005
9271 posts
Posted on 11/23/25 at 11:21 am to
I’ve got a little seedling experiment going too. I grabbed up some Improved Solo Sunrise F1 Papaya seeds I’m trying to germinate.

It’s supposedly an improved high yield Solo Sunrise fruit. The fruits are larger on average than the Original Solo Sunrise. They also claim to have bred out the nasturtium profile which gives the vomit-like flavors found in some papaya varieties. We’ll see….

If anyone wants seeds; I’ve got plenty and will happily mail you some.



Outside of that; got my onion sets planted yesterday. Co-planted some into my strawberry plants which are on the struggle bus; I planted them right before the freeze and it really set them back.

Posted by Tigerlaff
FIGHTING out of the Carencro Sonic
Member since Jan 2010
22149 posts
Posted on 11/23/25 at 12:56 pm to
Dude I almost bought a solo sunrise seedling this week. I hate papaya but the tropical fruit nerds keep swearing that this is different and will change my mind. But I am not growing an entire papaya tree on the chance that I might do a 180. Save some of those seeds man. I need a full report once you harvest.
Posted by Loup
Ferriday
Member since Apr 2019
15798 posts
Posted on 11/26/25 at 5:47 pm to
Finally dug my inkbird thermostat out of the attic. Surprised it still works after 4 or 5 summers up there. Crazy how fast that lil heater gets the greenhouse to temp.
Posted by Tigerlaff
FIGHTING out of the Carencro Sonic
Member since Jan 2010
22149 posts
Posted on 11/26/25 at 6:39 pm to
Yeah man. A little $30 space heater is all it takes to grow mangos and such in Louisiana. Wish I had known this 10 years ago.
Posted by LanierSpots
Sarasota, Florida
Member since Sep 2010
70097 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 7:58 am to
And now all the sudden, basically in December, my Meyer has decided to come out and play. LOL.









Posted by Tigerlaff
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Posted on 12/2/25 at 12:33 am to
Very nice. Glad it's finally doing its thing!
Posted by LanierSpots
Sarasota, Florida
Member since Sep 2010
70097 posts
Posted on 12/2/25 at 5:55 am to
quote:

Very nice. Glad it's finally doing its thing!



I have been watering but not even paying attention to it since its December. I have no idea how long that lemon has been on there.
Posted by Tigerlaff
FIGHTING out of the Carencro Sonic
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 12/2/25 at 7:17 am to
Yep unlike oranges and mandarins, lemons and limes do not have a "season." If the climate is warm enough they flower and set fruit year round. My greenhouse key lime is flowering again right now and I often get off season lemons in warm years. Congrats!
Posted by LanierSpots
Sarasota, Florida
Member since Sep 2010
70097 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 8:20 am to
I noticed this morning that a couple of my clumps of buds have some black shite on them. Any idea what it is? Only one or two of them

I was using neem oil on the tree every so often all year. Is it OK for me to keep doing that while its flowering or should I not do that.


Thanks for all the advice and why this thread is not pinned to the top of the page is beyond me



Posted by Loup
Ferriday
Member since Apr 2019
15798 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 10:03 am to
The black on the leaves looks like a whitefly infestation. They leave a residue on the leaves which sooty mold. It might be the same causing what is on the buds but I don't think I've ever seen that on mine. I've been fighting whiteflies for two years on my citrus and haven't been able to get rid of them completely.
This post was edited on 12/3/25 at 10:05 am
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 12/3/25 at 10:25 am to
quote:

black shite
sooty mold, caused by insects. you can wash it off with a little bit of dawn in warm water if you dont want to use pesticide
Posted by Tigerlaff
FIGHTING out of the Carencro Sonic
Member since Jan 2010
22149 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 7:27 pm to
Loup and cgrand are spot on. You've got sooty mold from citrus white flies. You can tell by the black residue on the leaves.

The stuff on the buds is likely aphids.

I get both of these every year on my Meyer and on no other citrus. Meyer is insanely pest prone. The aphids are easy. I find pyrethrin spray knocks them right out. The white flies are a much more stubborn problem. Neem is garbage and only works if you mix it to like quadruple strength with a surfactant and spray every single inch of every single leaf and branch about 3 days per week from April - November. I don't play that bullshite.

I handle white flies like this. Since Meyers are one of the first things to flush new growth for me in the spring, I spray once or twice per week with AzaMax. This is a super concentrated distillation of azadirachtin, the active ingredient in neem. You can spray this at dusk and avoid harm to pollinators. If you keep this up, you can keep the white flies down enough to prevent new mold. I rotate this with spinosad and pyrethrin every week or so. You should also do a copper spray every week or two to kill the existing mold and prevent new mold. But as the rest of my orchard/garden/collection/whatever comes online, I always end up leaving the Meyer to the white flies. It's a losing battle here. In December after the first good freeze, I spray the tree down with copper and then blast as much of the mold off as possible with a hose. Then you are good until the cycle starts again in spring. I spray my Meyer more than any other tree by far, including even stone fruit.

Your tree is small and potted. I bet you can control it with AzaMax and a hand spray bottle. I would also wipe off every leaf just for cosmetic purposes because I hate looking at sooty mold.

Every day I wonder why the hell I planted a Meyer lemon in the best spot in my yard. You can't eat them. They aren't very cold tolerant. Insanely pesty. Totally random untidy growth habit that shoots awkward branches everywhere. Needs massive yearly pruning. The only benefit I get is it's pretty for a few months per year and and everyone oohs and ahhs when they see something more exotic than a satsuma or navel orange. I wonder what on earth people are doing with the hundreds of lemons I give away.

Wish I had put a cara cara navel in this spot instead or even a guava or something since I already have to protect the Meyer from freezes.
This post was edited on 12/3/25 at 7:46 pm
Posted by LanierSpots
Sarasota, Florida
Member since Sep 2010
70097 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 7:43 pm to
quote:

You can't eat them.



Are you saying I cant use the juice?
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