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Posted on 5/29/26 at 9:18 am to
Posted by Loup
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Posted on 5/29/26 at 9:18 am to
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Watching for new leaves since it's about time to force branching.


Force branching? Is this where you cut off the top to make it grow more like a bush?
Posted by cgrand
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Posted on 5/29/26 at 9:20 am to
holy crap I’ll say again that’s the healthiest mango tree (or maybe any tree) I’ve ever seen I can’t believe you’ve done that in a pot. Seriously dude that’s amazing
Posted by Tigerlaff
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Posted on 5/29/26 at 12:46 pm to
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Force branching? Is this where you cut off the top to make it grow more like a bush?


Yes. But it's a little more complicated. A grafted mango will try to grow straight up until you cut it. But where you cut it matters.

There are these obvious growth rings along the stem that have leaves coming out of them. If you cut the tree above the growth ring, the ring will shoot out 3-5 new branches from that spot. All the initial scaffolding branches will therefore originate from the same point. They will also be more laterally oriented (growing out not up). In other words, a cut above the growth ring results in a lollipop shape.

If you cut below the growth ring (removing the ring), new single branches will emerge from the leaf stems below. Those branches will be more vertically oriented. If you like where the leaves are located below the ring, then you can plan out where new vertical branches will appear. If the leaves are not in convenient locations for new branches below the ring, you might want to just cut above the ring.

Some growers will say that below the ring cuts are better because you don't have all the scaffolding branches emerging from a single point on the trunk, which creates more weight stress at that point. Other growers say it doesn't matter. Personally, I think if the leaves below the ring are well-oriented, it's probably better to have your main branches emerging from 2-3 locations on the trunk instead of a single point. But I'm willing to change my mind on that.
Posted by Tigerlaff
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Posted on 5/29/26 at 12:49 pm to
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Holy crap I’ll say again that’s the healthiest mango tree (or maybe any tree) I’ve ever seen I can’t believe you’ve done that in a pot. Seriously dude that’s amazing


Thanks man. I second guess myself about it every single day. Lots I could probably be doing better.
Posted by Loup
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Posted on 5/29/26 at 1:03 pm to
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Tigerlaff


Thanks for that write up, I'd seen a few posts on Facebook with folks talking about it but never knew what it was called. How tall do you let the tree get before force branching? Do you have a specific height that you want the branches to come from?
Posted by Tigerlaff
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Posted on 5/29/26 at 1:24 pm to
In the ground hip height. In a container lower because the container and caddy add height. My Pickering starts branching at 19in from soil level and that's about perfect for a 25+ gallon container mango.
Posted by wiltznucs
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Posted on 5/29/26 at 4:51 pm to
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Wiltz, you think that's too many for this 25g tree?


Man; ordinarily I’d probably say yes it’s too many. But the leaves look very healthy and the fruit seems well developed in terms of size. If they were all small and stunted I’d feel differently. So I say let it rip. By way of comparison; my 25g tree is definitely less dense than yours and I’m only going to get 2-3 mangoes from it.
This post was edited on 5/29/26 at 4:54 pm
Posted by Tigerlaff
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Posted on 5/29/26 at 7:35 pm to
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Man; ordinarily I’d probably say yes it’s too many. But the leaves look very healthy and the fruit seems well developed in terms of size. If they were all small and stunted I’d feel differently. So I say let it rip. By way of comparison; my 25g tree is definitely less dense than yours and I’m only going to get 2-3 mangoes from it.

My thoughts exactly. It got a great dose of k-mag preseason and foliar micros every few weeks in addition to slow release 8-2-12. It looks healthy. I think it's going to actually mature 10-12 mangos by August. And if that slows tree growth that's GREAT for me as a container grower.

Your endorsement means a lot, so thanks!
This post was edited on 5/29/26 at 7:37 pm
Posted by LanierSpots
Sarasota, Florida
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 5/29/26 at 8:36 pm to
TGL, you know I repotted a bunch of things early in the spring with your/Gary soil method. Soil mix, osmocote top dressed with manure compost then cypress mulch as a topper.

How often would you say that you re-apply osmocote, change or add more compost( or is that ever done). I know Im basically feeding the plants because there is really nothing in the new soil for them.

How often do I need to redress these things


TIA


Posted by Tigerlaff
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Posted on 5/30/26 at 12:52 am to
Osmocote every 3 months. Top dress refresh every spring.
Posted by Tigerlaff
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Posted on 5/30/26 at 7:03 am to
I should have said osmocote every 3 months during the growing season. I don't feed at all over winter unless it's a special case.
Posted by LanierSpots
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Posted on 5/30/26 at 7:06 am to
Thanks baw. I appreciate it. I am about to do another round of repotting. I have some house plants that need to be done plus its time for me to repot my Lipstick. That thing is taking off and growing like crazy. Lots of new growth and I have roots starting to grow out the bottom of the 3 gallon pot.

Very happy with how its doing. You had me scared to death of it at first.






And man, I really want one of these. Travelers palm. I just cant find a place to plant it in the yard once it gets too big for a container.



This post was edited on 5/30/26 at 7:21 am
Posted by Loup
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Posted on 5/30/26 at 9:32 am to
Your banana tree just put out its third leaf. Pretty confident that I didnt kill it now. I didnt want to give it to you and it die a week later from something I did wrong.



Eta: sorry about the feet.


Would it be the wrong move to up pot my guava while it is fruiting? I have a 25 gal cattle protein tub that I can put it in. I should be able to slip it from the current pot (the orange one in the above photo) and into the tub. Would then pack the garys recipe soil mix around it. I wouldn't think that would disturb it too much but idk.
This post was edited on 5/30/26 at 9:35 am
Posted by cgrand
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Posted on 5/30/26 at 9:37 am to
good because the couple plants that I bought are pretty frickin sad . Y’all were right banana buying is a crapshoot.

and that’s proper garden footwear at my house
Posted by Tigerlaff
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Posted on 5/30/26 at 10:24 am to
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time for me to repot my Lipstick. That thing is taking off and growing like crazy. Lots of new growth and I have roots starting to grow out the bottom of the 3 gallon pot.

Very happy with how its doing. You had me scared to death of it at first.

Awesome! Show us some pics. Mine is also doing well. Once the heat got here it started pushing growth all over. Will snap a pic in a minute.

quote:

Travelers palm. I just cant find a place to plant it in the yard once it gets too big for a container.

Ahh yes, that means it's time for the poor man's travelers palm: Strelitzia nicolai in a container. The white bird of paradise.
Posted by Tigerlaff
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Posted on 5/30/26 at 10:28 am to
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Would it be the wrong move to up pot my guava while it is fruiting? I have a 25 gal cattle protein tub that I can put it in. I should be able to slip it from the current pot (the orange one in the above photo) and into the tub. Would then pack the garys recipe soil mix around it. I wouldn't think that would disturb it too much but idk.

Go for it. The beauty of using the right soil is that you can just pop it out and into a bigger pot with almost no disturbance as you described. Plus guavas are just remarkably tough trees to begin with. Best method is to let the pot dry out really well before doing the removal. Should all come out clean that way.
Posted by Tigerlaff
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Posted on 5/30/26 at 10:30 am to
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Y’all were right banana buying is a crapshoot.


I don't even bother with actual retailers now. I just buy them over Facebook from hobby growers who actually have the real deal. After the 3rd or 4th speciality banana turned out to be just another dwarf Cavendish I learned my lesson.
Posted by LanierSpots
Sarasota, Florida
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 5/30/26 at 11:33 am to
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Ahh yes, that means it's time for the poor man's travelers palm: Strelitzia nicolai in a container. The white bird of paradise.



I have two of them growing in my yard. They were basically dead and I managed to save them from laying in someones yard by the curb. I trimmed them up, got rid of the fungus and got them planted in my yard two years ago. Now, they are doing very well.


My lipstick






White Birds. I wish I had a picture of what I started with. I thought they both would be rubbish in less than a month but somehow, I saved them. They need a little trimming but they are alive.






And my orange bird in the front finally gave me a flower this week. Finally





Posted by wiltznucs
Apollo Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 5/30/26 at 11:48 am to
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And man, I really want one of these. Travelers palm.




Beautiful trees; but, they get huge, need protection from high winds and if left uncontrolled will spread and become unruly.

This is my neighbors Travelers Palm tree. I helped him plant it in 2022. It was a single stalk about 5 feet tall when we planted it. As you can see it throws pups constantly like a banana and is now three separate trees which are 25+ feet tall.

If you get one; put it on the side of your house that’s most protected from winds. Otherwise the leaves will shred up like this one. If you want one big majestic fan you’ll need to get a spade in there a few times each year and rip out the pups. This one looked great before the freeze. It survived; but, lost a lot of the exterior growth.

This post was edited on 5/30/26 at 10:19 pm
Posted by LanierSpots
Sarasota, Florida
Member since Sep 2010
71306 posts
Posted on 5/30/26 at 1:18 pm to
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If you get one; put it on the side of your house that’s most protected from winds. Otherwise the leaves will shred up like this one



Interesting that you mentioned that. It is exactly what has been happening to our big white birds of paradise. The big leaves are shedding. All my neighbors as well.


That is a awesome looking tree. Id love to just have one in a container around my pool but I know it would not be in there long.


Thanks for the advice.
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