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Light fixture not coming on
Posted on 8/24/23 at 6:16 pm
Posted on 8/24/23 at 6:16 pm
All of a sudden, one of our 2 kitchen light fixtures does not come on.
Any expert solutions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Any expert solutions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Posted on 8/24/23 at 6:25 pm to TigerKurt
you have to throw it away and buy a new one
seriously, check the bulbs and see if they are burnt, when in doubt replace bulb, if that doesnt fix it, and you know its getting power, replace the light
seriously, check the bulbs and see if they are burnt, when in doubt replace bulb, if that doesnt fix it, and you know its getting power, replace the light
Posted on 8/24/23 at 8:11 pm to TigerKurt
Depending on age, residential switches go bad all the time
Posted on 8/24/23 at 8:19 pm to TigerKurt
I’d guess a loose wire somewhere between the fixtures
This post was edited on 8/24/23 at 8:20 pm
Posted on 8/24/23 at 10:01 pm to rustyjohnson
There are 2 switches that control both fixtures.
Neither one lights both fixtures.
Neither one lights both fixtures.
Posted on 8/25/23 at 12:54 am to TigerKurt
Bad switch, loose wire or breaker tripped?
Posted on 8/25/23 at 1:08 am to TigerKurt
quote:
There are 2 switches that control both fixtures.
Neither one lights both fixtures.
Oh, wait!!!!
Does this mean each light will come on, but both lights won't come on at the same time?
If so, that means that a common wire is not connecting them.
Posted on 8/25/23 at 3:25 am to TigerKurt
quote:
All of a sudden, one of our 2 kitchen light fixtures does not come on.
Any expert solutions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
First as I understand from the thread there are two switches that independently (not 3-way) control 2 different light fixtures in your kitchen.
The diagnosis process is just a matter of elimination and you can do it methodically from end to end or by the most likely failure I am going to mix those up and relay the way I would do it.
If both of those fixtures are in the kitchen then they are almost certainly on the same circuit BUT I would look at your load center to make sure a breaker hasn't tripped. If it is reset and you will either be good or if it pops again you have a different issue with a different set of more complex diagnoses.
Then I would take a bulb that is know is good (from the other fixture maybe or new after testing it in the other fixture) and put it in the faulty fixture. If it doesn't work I would likely put all 4 good bulbs in the fixture. I have never seen a residential light fixture wired in series but you see some really odd stuff in house wiring.
If the new bulbs didn't work I would take the fixture apart (power off) and look for loose wire and tighten the wire nuts.
If that doesn't fix the issue I would test to make sure power is coming in through the NM (ROMEX) cable to the fixture wires (likely lighter gauge and stranded). If you have power there with the switch on then there is a connection issue in the fixture (redo all the wire nuts) or something in the fixture itself is bad which you could also track down by tracing the wiring. I would pull the whole thing down and use a battery and multimeter to determine where the fault was.
If you do not have power to the fixture you need to test if you have power coming out of the switch when it is on. If you do then you have an inwall issue that is going to have to be tracked down. Maybe a junction box that shouldn't be there with loose connections, squirrels in your attack, or rats in the wall kinda thing. This assumes there is not another device on the circuit but I would expect there is only the one light fixture.
If you don't have power coming out of the switch then you need to pull the switch out and look for loose wires or loose connections. If tightening any loose connections or replacing any loose wires (you gotta know where that loose wire goes) doesn't fix the issue you need to test if you have power coming into the switch itself. If you don't and you checked all the breakers then you have a potentially complex inwall/ceiling issue in the run back to the load center, it could be the cable but (more likely) it is on a previous device (switch receptacle). If that switch is in a multi-gang box with other switches they most likely are all on the same circuit so if one works it is likely downstream from there.
I didn't explain how to test for power in the various places on an energized circuit because I am not going to help you potentially hurt yourself but if Google explains it to you then it is on you an Google.
Wiring issues like this are simply testing step by step through the electrical path to find where the fault is. It is actually incredibly simple but it requires testing energized wires (unless you have some testing equipment beyond just a multimeter). Just go one step at a time through the electrical path and rule things out until you find the issue.
I hope this makes sense, it is something I could do faster than I can explain it by typing and sometimes things that are just intuitive are the hardest things for me to explain.
Posted on 8/25/23 at 6:06 am to TigerKurt
quote:
All of a sudden, one of our 2 kitchen light fixtures does not come on.
quote:
There are 2 switches that control both fixtures.
Neither one lights both fixtures.
Are you just clarifying that both fixtures are independently controlled by their own switches? Or are you saying that both fixtures are controlled by 3-way switches?
If the latter, first thing I would check AFTER checking the breaker would be the switch itself. Sometimes a bad/old switch will cause this. I'm not familiar with how 3-way switches but there's a chance one or both could be related to a possible problem.
Posted on 8/25/23 at 7:31 am to BilbeauTBaggins
2 separate switches control BOTH fixtures. Only 1 fixture comes on from either switch.
Posted on 8/25/23 at 10:27 am to TigerKurt
Much thanks for all the usual expert advice.
Turns out it was just a loose connection with the ground wire.
Very strange that happened to one of the two fixtures after being installed three years ago!
Turns out it was just a loose connection with the ground wire.
Very strange that happened to one of the two fixtures after being installed three years ago!
Posted on 8/25/23 at 9:07 pm to TigerKurt
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Turns out it was just a loose connection with the ground wire.
Very strange that happened to one of the two fixtures after being installed three years ago!
Glad you fixed it.
Chances are the wires weren't terminated correctly. It is easy to pack wires back into a fixture with enough tension on one of the wires that it slowly pulls its way out of the nut if not properly twisted past the nut.
The problem is magnified terminating to a light fixture because almost all of them I have seen use stranded wire which can't be reliably twisted past the nut around the solid wire coming out of the wall or ceiling. Solid to-stranded connections should always be taped so the nut is attached by the tape to the insulation of the wires. There is just no other good way to get a physically strong connection between a stranded and solid wire. The alternative over the last few years is using Wago-type connectors.
If you think of a wire nut as JUST an electrical connection/insulation and not a physical one then you are likely not not make a whole bunch of common mistakes.
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