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Issues with St Augustine

Posted on 3/11/20 at 9:52 am
Posted by Auburntiger
BTR area
Member since Mar 2005
13305 posts
Posted on 3/11/20 at 9:52 am
I have been in my current home for about four and a half years, it was a new construction house. This is the first time I have ever had st. Augustine grass. When I first moved in the first year so I was having a lot of problems with the grass looking good, fighting chinch bug issues etc.

Because at the time I was traveling a good bit I hired TruGreen to bring my grass back. As you can see from the first picture they did a very good job of maintaining my grass, I thought it looked.
great




I'm still using TruGreen, but unfortunately my grass has regressed back and I'm having similar issues as to the ones I had a few years ago








Just curious if anyone on here has any tips on what I'm dealing with and how to bring it back?
Posted by TDsngumbo
Alpha Silverfox
Member since Oct 2011
41609 posts
Posted on 3/11/20 at 9:55 am to
I had the same problem at my previous house except with centipede. I tried everything but what ultimately worked was buying some bags of Scotts lawn soil with the fertilizer already mixed in along with centipede seed. I mixed a LOT of seed into the soil real good then poured the soil over the bad spots and then put down one of those seed germination blankets to prevent erosion of the loose soil. Watered frequently and followed up with Scotts turf builder a couple weeks later. That finally solved the problem and I had a very thick and beautiful lawn.
Posted by Auburntiger
BTR area
Member since Mar 2005
13305 posts
Posted on 3/11/20 at 10:23 am to
In my previous home I had centipede grass as well. I ended up getting Brown patch pretty bad in my yard. It took a good bit of effort to get rid of it, but I was able to in bring the grass back. This just doesn't look like the same type of issue as the brown patch that I dealt with previously.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5267 posts
Posted on 3/11/20 at 10:32 am to
A good likelihood it is brown patch (now called large patch) - conditions are favorable now for outbreaks and St Augustine is particularly susceptible. Here is a nice article from Clemson LINK.

Curious, does not part of the service you pay True Green for not include identification and treatment of such lawn issues?
Posted by TheBoo
South to Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
4507 posts
Posted on 3/11/20 at 10:38 am to
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four and a half years

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St Augustine


De-thatch and aerate. Make sure the fertilizer you/they are putting down isn't too strong.

Just my opinion. CrawDude will probably come around and tell you the truth.

Edit: ^ see told you
This post was edited on 3/11/20 at 10:41 am
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5267 posts
Posted on 3/11/20 at 11:13 am to
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Just my opinion. CrawDude will probably come around and tell you the truth


Might be related to thatch. Lawn diseases are not my strongest suite. Brown patch starts out as circular pattern which makes it easy to ID but as the Clemson article states in severe cases you’ll just see swaths of dead grass areas with no circular pattern evident as in the OPs photos.

Listened to local garden show this past weekend they stated they were seeing brown patch show up in the BTR area assoc with the cool, wet conditions of the past couple weeks, in fact the host said he had it in his St Augustine yard.

The LSU AgCenter does have a plant disease diagnostic lab that can ID from lawn samples LINK OP (I suspect your are in the BTR area?) send your photos to Dr Raj Singh with background info, he’ll will definitely be able to determine if it’s a lawn disease issue, if not from the photos from a lawn sample (fee assoc with a sample analysis). He sees this stuff daily.

Either way, is this not part of the service, to ID and treat lawn health issues, provided by TrueGreen?
This post was edited on 3/11/20 at 1:46 pm
Posted by Auburntiger
BTR area
Member since Mar 2005
13305 posts
Posted on 3/11/20 at 11:30 am to
Thank you CrawDude....I just sent Raj an email.
Posted by Clint Torres
Member since Oct 2011
2662 posts
Posted on 3/11/20 at 12:09 pm to
I'm dealing with similar spots in my St. Augustine yard and have been watering to encourage new growth but recently read that watering makes it worse. It essentially encourages more of the fungus.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5267 posts
Posted on 3/11/20 at 12:26 pm to
I read that once you have brown/large patch it pretty much re-ocurrs annually in the same area so it best treat annually as a preventive measure in late/winter spring with an appropriate lawn fungicide, liquid or granular, just as you do with herbicides and fertilizer. One more expense to deal with. I have bag of Myclobutanil (F-Stop) at the house now I need to put it.

Excess water just feeds the fire.
Posted by coopsdad
Luling, LA
Member since Sep 2009
918 posts
Posted on 3/11/20 at 2:05 pm to
Report back with Rajs diagnosis. Neighbor across the street seems to be having the same problem.
Posted by Auburntiger
BTR area
Member since Mar 2005
13305 posts
Posted on 3/11/20 at 2:07 pm to
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Report back with Rajs diagnosis


I absolutely will
Posted by Red Solo Cup
Memphis, TN
Member since Sep 2012
447 posts
Posted on 3/11/20 at 2:42 pm to
Look into chinch bugs. That looks like damage they make and are terrible with St. Aug
Posted by ronk
Member since Jan 2015
6203 posts
Posted on 3/11/20 at 4:07 pm to
It is not chinch bugs. That is a full sun high heat bug. If your lawn greened up out of dormancy and then turned brown and died I would say it could be Take All Patch also known as Take All Root Rot. Look for black lesions in the runners.

On a side not about fertilizing and fungus. The older way of thinking about take all patch and large patch was that over fertilizing or fertilizing while the fungus is active would make it explode. I was at a conference in January and talked to Dr Chrissie Segars. She is a Clemson undergrad, LSU masters, and Texas A&M Dr in turf grass. The new research says that fertilizing while the fungus is active may help it recover faster.
Posted by Auburntiger
BTR area
Member since Mar 2005
13305 posts
Posted on 3/11/20 at 5:13 pm to
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It is not chinch bugs. That is a full sun high heat bug. If your lawn greened up out of dormancy and then turned brown and died I would say it could be Take All Patch also known as Take All Root Rot. Look for black lesions in the runners.


Interesting...what causes it? How can it be rectified?
Posted by ronk
Member since Jan 2015
6203 posts
Posted on 3/11/20 at 6:30 pm to
Tarr doesn’t have a cure for the most part. You need to apply Azoxystrobin (heritage or Scott’s disease X) and peat moss. Tests were done use heritage, pest moss, propiconizole, and compost. The combo of heritage and peat moss showed the most promise. This disease is becoming more and more common in Dallas and it will wreck yards.
Posted by Clint Torres
Member since Oct 2011
2662 posts
Posted on 3/11/20 at 7:01 pm to
Apparently it can result from moisture/dew and nights in the 60s
Posted by Auburntiger
BTR area
Member since Mar 2005
13305 posts
Posted on 3/11/20 at 7:04 pm to
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ronk


Thank you for taking the time to respond, and thank you so much for the information..... I'm thinking you might be right.

I have the service manager with Trugreen stopping by on Friday. It'll be interesting to see what he has to say.

Edit: what is the protocol for putting out the fungicide and the pete moss? Same time? Or each at different times?
This post was edited on 3/11/20 at 7:25 pm
Posted by ronk
Member since Jan 2015
6203 posts
Posted on 3/11/20 at 7:39 pm to
Fungicide first water it in. Peat moss next
Posted by Auburntiger
BTR area
Member since Mar 2005
13305 posts
Posted on 3/11/20 at 8:00 pm to
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Fungicide first water it in. Peat moss next


Is this a procedure that should be repeated over certain timeframes?

At what point could I expect to notice a "bounce back"

Sorry for all the questions, but I greatly appreciate you taking the time to respond
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5267 posts
Posted on 3/11/20 at 8:00 pm to
Well I learned something new today, I wasn’t familiar with a “Take All Root rot”. Checked and LSU AgCenter has a fact sheet sheet on it. Take All Root Rot .
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