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HVAC inspection leads to $26k estimate for complete overhaul - good price?

Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:10 pm
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
18330 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:10 pm
The air in my 2100 square foot house is unbalanced, so I called a few highly rated companies to come take a look.

One said I need to close off some of the return vents and convert a few to registers. He wants to place a new central return in the house, moving it from the crawlspace. He says having returns on the exterior walls is insufficient. He also wants to reroute some of my ductwork, rewrap/insulate all of the ducts, and install a new plenum with additional duct lines. Cost: $6000 for labor and supplies.

The other identified a shitload of other issues. Said the wiring was out of code. The condenser is covered in mold. The ducts are wrapped in asbestos. The pipe that vents the furnace exhaust is venting into the crawlspace because the “terra cotta?” is broken. He said the terra cotta shouldn’t even be used anymore because it’s asbestos. The ductwork is mismatched and measured incorrectly. There are only 6 8” ducts for return air with a 4 ton unit, which is apparently bad. Someone attempted to fix the main return thing to the blower on their own and it’s way too small for the amount of air trying to circulate. The furnace is 20 years old and the 4 ton HVAC unit is 17 years old.

He suggested:
- 5 ton 18-seer premiere inhibitor
- Install entirely new ductwork
- Install 95% furnace (heat pump I think?)
- Clean out crawlspace entirely and install new vapor barrier
- Install high quality filter (thick one that is replaced every 12-18 months)
- Install bacteria growth inhibitor
- All code upgrades
- Add two large return vents in the floors inside from crawlspace OR one central return built into closet

Cost with rebates and discount: $26k

This is a pretty big fricking difference in opinion.

Thoughts?
This post was edited on 3/16/21 at 9:17 pm
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
73674 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:18 pm to
I am in no way an expert or have any expertise in the area, but there is no way I think that is a legit estimate.

I would have to have severe issues to consider that. Like, mold growing on my clothes every couple of days bad.

All the asbestos talk and stuff should be easily identified. If your house was done before 1980 you might have it. If after highly unlikely.
This post was edited on 3/16/21 at 9:20 pm
Posted by Gorilla Ball
Member since Feb 2006
11648 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:19 pm to
I’d get multiple bids. Mold in system can be cleaned, but you have too look at the age and the cost to clean. Unbalanced? I think most unit have a way to adjust that situation. Wiring can be out of code, the only time it needs to be “in code” is when it’s repaired or replaced.
$26,000 - geez. I’d get several more opinions. But there is no way I can see $26,000 on a hvac system.
Is the unit leaking, meaning are you adding Freon or coolant to the unit?
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
18330 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:24 pm to
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Unbalanced? I think most unit have a way to adjust that situation.


The biggest issue is that previous owners half assed some projects leading to bigger problems. They built an addition and just ran a few ducts off other ducts without rebalancing the air or static pressure. The ductwork does need to be worked on. Everyone that’s seen it says it has issues.

The unit isn’t leaking. It’s technically working fine, but we have air quality issues due to crawlspace dust and mold/mildew coming through the vents.

I agree the $26k is ridiculous, but I do think I’ll be replacing a good bit of this in the near future. The vapor barrier needs to be replaced. The AC unit is old and the furnace is getting old as well. Only a matter of time.

Also, my wife is another I have to contend with. She heard asbestos and mold and I had to put my foot down to not take the kids to her parents house. She’s nutty with these kinds of risks.
This post was edited on 3/16/21 at 9:28 pm
Posted by Gorilla Ball
Member since Feb 2006
11648 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:29 pm to
I do understand- perhaps there could be more versed in hvac systems that could offer you some guidance.
I hate to see anyone spending $26000.
Posted by tigers1956
baton rouge
Member since Oct 2008
4767 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:41 pm to
I would not use these people period...
I hate to see people taken advantage of...this estimate is way overpriced run from these people as fast as you can...
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20396 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:41 pm to
Quotes are free.

I always recommend setting up a time one day for 2-3 hours to get 4-5 quotes. 2100 sq ft house will take 20 mins to quote at most usually. Get 2-3 more and then compare. Never compare 2 quotes if you don’t understand them.
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
18330 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:48 pm to
quote:

2100 sq ft house will take 20 mins to quote at most usually.


This dude was here for 2 hours for the larger quote.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
73674 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:49 pm to
quote:

Quotes are free.

quote:

I always recommend setting up a time one day for 2-3 hours to get 4-5 quotes.


If the potential price is +20k I would get several quotes. Even if they want to charge you a bit of a fee to come and give a detailed look and quote it is worth it.

Had a job that ended up just short of 40k and it took 6 contractors before I found the one I trusted. Paid a bit more, but damn it was worth every penny. So glad I didn't feel committed to the first guy or the cheapest. Actually had one give a quote only with the understanding he wanted nothing to do with the job.
This post was edited on 3/16/21 at 9:51 pm
Posted by Solo Cam
Member since Sep 2015
32625 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:54 pm to
No frick all of that

That dude a classic “everything is broken here’s how to give me the most work and here’s a fricking crazy high price, please bite”

There’s so much wrong with everything he said.

Get multiple quotes. If someone claims you have mold snd asbestos they need to provide pics or a simple test.


He suggested:
- 5 ton 18-seer premiere inhibitor

5 tons is a big for a 2100 sf home. Is a 2 story? Ask him to provide you with a manual j rating.

4K-5k

- Install entirely new ductwork

Ok if it’s leaking or has mold maybe but I would need to see some prove tell him to show you why they all have to be redone. But even if they do- you can use flex lines and that’s a 3k job.

- Install 95% furnace (heat pump I think?)
So install a furnace and new upstairs unit. 5k

- Clean out crawlspace entirely and install new vapor barrier

If it needs it. 2k

- Install high quality filter (thick one that is replaced every 12-18 months)

So the new furnace has a 5” filter in it. Very common with Lennox and Carrier. - no additional cost

- Install bacteria growth inhibitor

It’s the LED light that kills bacteria in the plenum 500

- All code upgrades

Obviously

- Add two large return vents in the floors inside from crawlspace OR one central return built into closet

All new ductwork to me includes the returns but let’s throw another 1k

No way I would pay above 15k without 6-10 quotes at least
Posted by lsujunky
Down By The River
Member since Jun 2011
2255 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:55 pm to
I didn’t pay 26k for the three units in my house.
Posted by Gorilla Ball
Member since Feb 2006
11648 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 10:00 pm to
This guy gets it.
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
18330 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 10:00 pm to
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5 tons is a big for a 2100 sf home. Is a 2 story? Ask him to provide you with a manual j rating.


That’s what I told him but he said 5 tons was needed because an addition was built onto the house. It’s 1 story, 2100 square feet with the addition. The first guy told me 4 ton was too big and that we needed a 3.5 ton unit but he could make the 4 work.

Y’all are making me feel better. Gotta convince the wife though that the $26k quote isn’t necessary.
Posted by Solo Cam
Member since Sep 2015
32625 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 10:04 pm to
quote:

Gotta convince the wife though that the $26k quote isn’t necessary.


Tell her that’s a a bunch of fricking money for shite you don’t need. If your gonna piss money away at least do it while having fun.
Posted by Gorilla Ball
Member since Feb 2006
11648 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 10:07 pm to
Yep
Posted by eng08
Member since Jan 2013
5997 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 10:12 pm to
quote:

Also, my wife is another I have to contend with. She heard asbestos and mold and I had to put my foot down to not take the kids to her parents house. She’s nutty with these kinds of risks.


At my worksite practically every closet or mechanical room door I walk through has an asbestos warning. Unless you are licking it, eating it, or disturbing it you aren’t going to get it on you.

And that quote is crazy.
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
45794 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 10:13 pm to
I told you how I feel about your mold in the crawl space in your prior thread.
Posted by armsdealer
Member since Feb 2016
11494 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 10:30 pm to
This was 2015 so adjust for inflation.

Install 5 ton 16 seer unit inside and out
All new ductwork
New gas heater
Add 2 registers
All new registers and intakes


$10k total

If the A/C units are working don't mess with them, bet someone reasonable to clean them and try to find someone reasonable to balance your ducts. Unless you ductwork is physically damaged you don't need to replace it. We bought a hud home at auction and the contractor that made it up to hud standards had guys that walked all over the ductwork to get around the attic. We got quotes to repair the ductwork and one guy said it would be cheaper to replace it all with modern ducts than to have duct bent and shaped to fit what we had, so all new ducts were installed. I did pay part of the bill with guns, but that was deducted from the $10k.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5264 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 10:33 pm to
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Solo Cam

Great post. Good info on each point.
Posted by Gorilla Ball
Member since Feb 2006
11648 posts
Posted on 3/17/21 at 2:25 am to
Yep that’s what I saw about ductwork- unless it’s leaking or damaged because someone stepped on it.
You might have to do some mods to it to have it fit the new unit.
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