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re: Gas Vs Electric Self Propelled Push Mower
Posted on 5/18/23 at 9:36 pm to Clames
Posted on 5/18/23 at 9:36 pm to Clames
quote:Right next to all the other stuff that I needn't worry about?
Same amount of time as it took you to buy a new blade for your electric lawnmower. If you ever look, that stuff and blades are usually on the same aisle.
quote:That is exactly the point. Routines are tiring, especially unnecessary ones. I have enough shite to do, why on earth would I want to add more for no benefit?
Storage is a non issue, I never clean it, just pour into the same 5-gallon VP can I put the used oil from my vehicles into, which gets taken to the local auto parts store to dump in their tank every few months. Between the lawnmowers (I have two), Mi-T-M pressure washer, yard vacuum, and 3 vehicles oil changes are no big deal, very routine for me.
quote:Well next up for me is eliminating the need for vehicle oil changes. Look if you enjoy all that shite, more power to you. Have at it. Hell maybe you should figure out how to use oil and gas for more things. Maybe invent a line of power tools that run on gas and have a little pull starter. Shouldn't be a problem to add those oil changes to your routine.
It's minimal considering everything runs on the same 10W-30 full synthetic I put in my vehicles. I buy 5-quart jugs and since one vehicle only needs 4.5 the leftover goes to the yard equipment.
quote:But the $300 battery that by most accounts will last 5-10 years is a back breaker?
Compared to $100,000+ worth of tools I have in my shop it's hardly a consideration.
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Posted on 5/18/23 at 10:42 pm to Korkstand
I seriously don’t get what’s wrong with all the gas-obsessed guys in here. They must be offshore workers worried that battery mowers will make them unemployed. This somehow turned into a pissing match perpetuated by one side.
My EGO mower is more convenient and cost effective in every which way possible than any standard gas mower, if not better.
My EGO mower is more convenient and cost effective in every which way possible than any standard gas mower, if not better.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 6:06 am to BilbeauTBaggins
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This somehow turned into a pissing match perpetuated by one side.
Everyone should be excited that household tools have reached a point where they are less of a hassle regardless of the technology.
I get that the EV industry is a huge political football right now but nobody is forcing me to opt for an inferior mower to virtue signal. They have matured to the point where the decision to go for electric vs gas is no longer a punchline.
Lowe's and Home Depot will take anything back within 30 days no questions asked. Hell Costco will take it back for years.
Whats the harm in trying something new? If it doesn't meet your needs go pick up that Honda. If you really want your mind blown check out the EGO riding mowers.
This post was edited on 5/19/23 at 10:03 am
Posted on 5/19/23 at 6:12 am to CAD703X
I replaced a 20 yr old craftsmen w a honda engine w a 40v ryobi in 2020 and have not looked back. Easily cuts under half an acre on a charge, no oil to change, no issues, quiet and my wife likes to cut the grass now. I am not anti ice, i have a gas pressure washer and snowblower and wont change those. But for a suburban yd, battery power works for lawnmower, weedeater, blower, hedge trimmer....
Posted on 5/19/23 at 6:33 am to RichJ
Self propelled is just going to put more strain on the battery in the long run.
Personally, I'd go with gas. I probably don't go through 5 gallons of gas a year between my mower and weed-eater, change oil once a season plus pull and sharpen the blade.
Personally, I'd go with gas. I probably don't go through 5 gallons of gas a year between my mower and weed-eater, change oil once a season plus pull and sharpen the blade.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 8:40 am to Ziggy
Gas.
Those batteries are expensive to replace and won't outlast a small engine in most cases. Those EGO lawn mower batteries are like $200-400. Damn near the cost of another push mower. They can keep them.
Those batteries are expensive to replace and won't outlast a small engine in most cases. Those EGO lawn mower batteries are like $200-400. Damn near the cost of another push mower. They can keep them.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:47 am to gumbo2176
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Self propelled is just going to put more strain on the battery in the long run.
someone tell the golf cart owners they're ruining their batteries!
seriously though, the EGO mower is only like 30 pounds or so..extremely light. i don't think its being taxed too much by turning the self-propelled on..the fastest speed is hella fast btw.
like i said in another post, i have a pretty decent sized yard on a slope and my step count is between 15-20k when doing the yard so i'm more than happy to use the self-propelled feature on the uphills all day long.
eta and my experience in the past with EGO customer support is they will pretty much give you a brand new battery if yours fails within the first 3 years. they offered to do that for me and i hadn't registered shite. they took my info over the phone (and trusted that i wasn't lying) and started the warranties based on the dates i gave them for the different things i had purchased.
This post was edited on 5/19/23 at 9:50 am
Posted on 5/19/23 at 10:28 am to fallguy_1978
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Those batteries are expensive to replace
This is the only drawback that gas lovers can come up with. Again, battery degradation will occur over time. Even if you lose 10% of a full charge on a battery that runs for 75 minutes, it still has 67.5 minutes of runtime. What do you not understand?
Secondly, the point of getting battery powered tools is so that you can also change batteries between said tools. I would venture to say that over 90% of battery mower owners factor in that they will also purchase at least a battery powered edger/weed eater. That gives you 2 or 3 batteries to cycle through when doing yardwork.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 10:49 am to BilbeauTBaggins
I'm also seeing a bunch of 3rd party batteries for Ego gear. Of course I'm wary of them but for the prices they might be worth a shot.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 10:52 am to BilbeauTBaggins
The point is that when you factor in battery replacement costs, they really aren't any cheaper to operate for many people, and often times the actual upfront cost is more.
In my experience with them they don't cut as well either. What exactly is the benefit again?
In my experience with them they don't cut as well either. What exactly is the benefit again?
This post was edited on 5/19/23 at 10:59 am
Posted on 5/19/23 at 11:05 am to fallguy_1978
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What is exactly the benefit again?
For roughly the same long term cost, the benefits are:
Zero time spent filling gas cans.
Zero time spent changing oil.
Zero time spent dealing with spark plugs, filters, etc.
Zero time spent on special maintenance on first and last use of the season.
Zero smells (or maybe you like the smells).
Zero time spent cleaning oil or gas.
And tools that you can store in any orientation and which run much quieter.
What are the benefits of gas tools?
Posted on 5/19/23 at 11:42 am to fallguy_1978
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In my experience with them they don't cut as well either
Why do you feel it cuts worse? The only thing that truly separates the mowers is the power source for spinning the blades. My EGO has a brushless motor and will spin faster when cutting through denser grass.
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factor in battery replacement costs, they really aren't any cheaper to operate for many people
1. Batteries are advertised to have a 10 year life span. Worry then IF you need to replace.
2. Many people have small yards that will work well for a small, lightweight mower.
3. The cost will likely even out. That being said, you have less maintenance costs for electric. You have less parts to worry about fixing. It's just a motor and blades.
4. It doesn't have to be about cost. Electric are generally easier to store/move/use. That can be a benefit to people who don't have the space to store a gas tank or normal mower. I hated having to go to the gas station to fill up. Spending gas and and time and wear and tear on my car to fill up a lawn mower. It's inconvenient. Buying the special fuel at Home Depot is annoying too. So much easier to charge it at home.
5. Maybe people like the fact that it doesn't sound like a plane engine is running for an hour. Again, it's not JUST about the coat
Will I use a push mower on a 1 acre property? Most likely not. However, the average person probably does not have that amount of property. People like that can probably hire someone to do the work for them.
OP suggested pros vs. cons in which to buy. Situations vary for each person. There isn't single correct answer.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 11:55 am to BilbeauTBaggins
To me the acid test for a purchase is would i buy it again ....
Three yrs in i would buy another 40v ryobi push mower. Yep. No ragerts ;)
Three years in no issues w battery life. Beleive me if it was a pos i would buy another honda ice lawnmower
Three yrs in i would buy another 40v ryobi push mower. Yep. No ragerts ;)
Three years in no issues w battery life. Beleive me if it was a pos i would buy another honda ice lawnmower
Posted on 5/19/23 at 4:34 pm to BilbeauTBaggins
quote:Because fallguy is basing his opinion on his neighbor's piece of shite 36v Stihl mower. He's always sure to quote the price of Ego batteries though. A lot of them do that, complain about the price of Ego against the performance of a different brand.
Why do you feel it cuts worse?
Should I conclude that a honda mower is not worth the price because I tried a $200 BILT HARD and it was a piece of shite? No, that would be stupid.
But they can draw whatever stupid conclusions they want to convince themselves that they like dicking around with oil and gas to get a little yard work done.
Posted on 5/20/23 at 10:23 am to Korkstand
Ok quick update after my first full mow...front and back. For reference, Fitbit showed 17,468 steps at the end but since my hand was holding the mower handle the whole time I don't know if that was vibration or legitimate steps.
Backyard was not a cakewalk. Been almost 2 weeks since the last cut and due to the downhill slope the area closest to the house gets more runoff so it's really thick. Lots of clover to chew through.
The 7.5 was like Skenes, it knocked out roughly 80-85% of the backyard. Highly impressed. I ran it down until the blades stopped. A good solid 7.5 inning outing.
Threw the battery on the charger and grabbed a 5 off the charger and just like Cain, it closed the game without a hitch. Finished the back without breaking a sweat and knocked out about 75% of the front before it gave out which was just lagniappe. Very pleased with how well that 3yo battery held up.
The 7.5 wasn't 100% charged yet when I was ready to swap but it was at 5 bars so I put it on and finished no problem.
Observations:
- whoever said you don't need the self-proppeled feature is spot on. I'm just a pussy but I ran this experiment without using that and it wasn't a problem. I liked the extra resistance and while I appreciate that's an option, I'd rather get more yard done under the battery than the little extra pull from that.
- I'll grab the extra battery and have it nearby next time since I know I'll need it to finish the yard. No more trouble than refilling the gas tank.
- speaking of gas, I can generally finish the back on one tank but it's bone dry and have to refill to do the front and sometimes to finish the back as well. The battery did not last quite as long as gas does but it's damn close.
- clean up was simple. Washed complete clean of grass no problem. My super recycler underside seems to be a grass magnet and I have to stop and dig it out when mulching several times even with a dry yard.
- was not nearly as fatigued at the end. After thinking it through it has to be because I'm wrestling that much heavier mower around..even with the self propelled it's just more muscle swinging it around not to mention the 10-20 pulls to get it started when cold.
The cut looks great and I'm really surprised how well it performed even with the thick sections.
Eta backyard pics for rough size reference. In the second pic if you can see the wooden chairs near the shed, that's where the battery gave up; right between shed and chairs.
Backyard was not a cakewalk. Been almost 2 weeks since the last cut and due to the downhill slope the area closest to the house gets more runoff so it's really thick. Lots of clover to chew through.
The 7.5 was like Skenes, it knocked out roughly 80-85% of the backyard. Highly impressed. I ran it down until the blades stopped. A good solid 7.5 inning outing.
Threw the battery on the charger and grabbed a 5 off the charger and just like Cain, it closed the game without a hitch. Finished the back without breaking a sweat and knocked out about 75% of the front before it gave out which was just lagniappe. Very pleased with how well that 3yo battery held up.
The 7.5 wasn't 100% charged yet when I was ready to swap but it was at 5 bars so I put it on and finished no problem.
Observations:
- whoever said you don't need the self-proppeled feature is spot on. I'm just a pussy but I ran this experiment without using that and it wasn't a problem. I liked the extra resistance and while I appreciate that's an option, I'd rather get more yard done under the battery than the little extra pull from that.
- I'll grab the extra battery and have it nearby next time since I know I'll need it to finish the yard. No more trouble than refilling the gas tank.
- speaking of gas, I can generally finish the back on one tank but it's bone dry and have to refill to do the front and sometimes to finish the back as well. The battery did not last quite as long as gas does but it's damn close.
- clean up was simple. Washed complete clean of grass no problem. My super recycler underside seems to be a grass magnet and I have to stop and dig it out when mulching several times even with a dry yard.
- was not nearly as fatigued at the end. After thinking it through it has to be because I'm wrestling that much heavier mower around..even with the self propelled it's just more muscle swinging it around not to mention the 10-20 pulls to get it started when cold.
The cut looks great and I'm really surprised how well it performed even with the thick sections.
Eta backyard pics for rough size reference. In the second pic if you can see the wooden chairs near the shed, that's where the battery gave up; right between shed and chairs.
This post was edited on 5/20/23 at 10:43 am
Posted on 5/20/23 at 10:45 am to CAD703X
Your yard is probably larger than what I would suggest to push mow with a battery mower, but glad to hear it worked pretty well.
Posted on 5/20/23 at 10:53 am to Korkstand
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Your yard is probably larger than what I would suggest to push mow with a battery mower, but glad to hear it worked pretty well.
My concern as well. This was still a v1 run so we'll see how it does over the summer. You could argue it justifies a riding mower but I need the exercise.
I have 4 batteries but with the supercharger I don't think I'd ever need them all for the yard since the first battery will be charged by the time the second one is done. Hopefully my wife can use the other 2 to weed and blow while I'm mowing
This post was edited on 5/20/23 at 10:54 am
Posted on 5/20/23 at 7:40 pm to Ziggy
I cut my acre with a 25” deck Greenworks 80v. It only takes 1.5 batteries (it holds 2 and I have 2, 4ah and a backup 2.5ah that came with my chainsaw) even when the bermuda is wet and long. I love how quiet it is. I just use earbuds and don’t have them loud at all. It cuts the best when I listen to Bon Scott era AC/DC.
I haven’t had it long but even if the batteries degrade in a few years I can replace the 18650 cells and not even have to shell out for new complete batteries (requires brain, not unlike small IC engine repair).
I haven’t had it long but even if the batteries degrade in a few years I can replace the 18650 cells and not even have to shell out for new complete batteries (requires brain, not unlike small IC engine repair).
Posted on 5/20/23 at 8:06 pm to Korkstand
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Right next to all the other stuff that I needn't worry about?
If all those little things break your little brain then just look away.
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That is exactly the point. Routines are tiring, especially unnecessary ones. I have enough shite to do, why on earth would I want to add more for no benefit?
I take care of my stuff, I have the talent, education, and capability to maintain my houses and everything in them. Just find comfort in knowing I can handle everything and putting a small amount of time into keeping gas-powered equipment running is no big deal, not a fraction of the effort you make it out to be.
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Maybe invent a line of power tools that run on gas and have a little pull starter. Shouldn't be a problem to add those oil changes to your routine.
Torque Channel did that already.
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But the $300 battery that by most accounts will last 5-10 years is a back breaker?
I've got more cordless power tools in one corner of my shop than you could figure out how to use, I just have zero use or interest in battery powered lawn equipment. My stuff is high quality, has more power, and has lasted years without issue. I get it, more people just can't stand to get their soft hands dirty these days. I make quite a bit of money off those people too.
Posted on 5/20/23 at 8:33 pm to Ziggy
Been running a John Deer walk behind for over 16 years. It has Briggs engine. I change the oil twice a year. The damn thing just won’t quit. As Tim the Tool man would say, “more power!”
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