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Electrical wiring help: what to do with unused ground wire.

Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:33 pm
Posted by 0x15E
Outer Space
Member since Sep 2020
12610 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:33 pm
Left this on the tech board, but it may get more bites over here:

Installing a Honeywell home timer switch to give a little more outdoor light at night without having to touch the switch, and I have a question about the install.

The back of the timer switch that I am installing has the standard line (black), load (blue), and neutral (white) wires already seated and ready to pigtail with what’s in the switch box.

However, there is no grounding screw on the timer switch but I have a ground wire connected to the light switch I’m replacing.

Question is, what do I do with the ground wire that will be left unused? I’ve seen several methods and I’m wondering which is correct.

1. Cap the bare ground wire, wrap with electrical tape and store in back of box

2. Wire the ground to one of the yoke screws of the timer switch.

3. Pigtail the ground wire with the ground wire of the other light switch that’s in the box (being used for a different light).
Posted by MikeBRLA
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2005
16448 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 7:59 am to
It’s the ground so therefore it’s not “hot” so you don’t have to do anything with it. Just push it into the back of the box to get it out of the way and forget about it.
Posted by 0x15E
Outer Space
Member since Sep 2020
12610 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 8:11 am to
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Just push it into the back of the box to get it out of the way and forget about it.


Yea, that was my thinking as well. I’ll probably wrap it and cap it just so it doesn’t accidentally come into contact with other wires or terminals in the box.
Posted by WhiskeyThrottle
Weatherford Tx
Member since Nov 2017
5289 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 8:35 am to
Can you help me understand the ground wire? I understand that it is to trip the circuit if there is a fault anywhere. But the amount of times a circuit is "grounded" doesn't make sense to me.

Is the ground included in everything simply to expand the places that the circuit is grounded?

The neutral and ground wire land on the same neutral bar in the panel as the neutral wire. Why does the neutral not serve as a ground at the same time?

What is the ground screw on an outlet "grounded" to internally?

I am slightly embarrassed I don't understand the mechanics of the ground other than knowing what to do with it. I've done quite a bit of electrical work mostly on my home and I always do what is required with the ground.
This post was edited on 1/12/23 at 8:36 am
Posted by eatpie
Kentucky
Member since Aug 2018
1121 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 8:57 am to
Related question: If the ground is energized by a short circuit somewhere, and the breaker doesn't trip, the energy is ultimately dissipated to the earth or whatever the main ground is. In that time, is the whole system linked to that ground energized? i.e. would that ground then be dangerous?
Posted by 0x15E
Outer Space
Member since Sep 2020
12610 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 9:01 am to
quote:

I am slightly embarrassed I don't understand the mechanics of the ground other than knowing what to do with it. I've done quite a bit of electrical work mostly on my home and I always do what is required with the ground.


I’m in the same boat.

I know what a ground wire does (in the most basic terms) but what I don’t know is how it works with other ground wires on the same circuit and then down “the line”
Posted by MikeBRLA
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2005
16448 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 9:20 am to
Youtube Link

This link explains it pretty well. Skip to 5:35 to skip straight to the ground wire explanation but it would be best to watch the entire thing.
Posted by WhiskeyThrottle
Weatherford Tx
Member since Nov 2017
5289 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 10:05 am to
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This link explains it pretty well. Skip to 5:35 to skip straight to the ground wire explanation but it would be best to watch the entire thing.


That cleared it up! It returns current to the neutral bar (which shouldn't have current running through it) if a hot comes in contact with it at any point causing the breaker to fault. Roughly said correctly?
Posted by LSUtigerME
Walker, LA
Member since Oct 2012
3789 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 11:55 am to
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Pigtail the ground wire with the ground wire of the other light switch that’s in the box (being used for a different light).


This is what I would do, provided they are on the same circuit (breaker). This way you don’t have a random lose wire and it’s properly grounded with the rest of the system.

ETA:
If it’s simply a pigtail for the switch coming from the ground bundle that results in ONLY the switch being ungrounded, then you’re fine. If the wire goes into the wall without passing through the ground bundle, it needs to be grounded to ensure continuity of the ground circuit.

Regardless, you can tie the ground together and have zero impact to the circuit.
This post was edited on 1/12/23 at 2:04 pm
Posted by 0x15E
Outer Space
Member since Sep 2020
12610 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 8:51 pm to
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Regardless, you can tie the ground together and have zero impact to the circuit.


So upon further inspection of the box, there’s a ground pigtail inside. Two of the wires from the pigtail supply ground to the two light switches in the box.

So I know the wire that will go unused is already tied to the ground circuit. Is there any harm in tying it on both ends to the same circuit?

What I’m trying to say is, four ground wires in the box pigtailed together. Two are coming out of the wall into the pigtail, two coming from the pigtail to the light switches.

What are my options for the unused ground? Can I ground it to the terminal of the light switch that will still be using its dedicated ground?
This post was edited on 1/12/23 at 8:57 pm
Posted by LSUtigerME
Walker, LA
Member since Oct 2012
3789 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 9:06 pm to
quote:

What I’m trying to say is, four ground wires in the box pigtailed together. Two are coming out of the wall into the pigtail, two coming from the pigtail to the light switches.

What are my options for the unused ground? Can I ground it to the terminal of the light switch that will still be using its dedicated ground?

If the unused ground is just going back to the ground bundle, then you could remove just remove it. If you want to keep it for whatever reason, you can tie it back into any of the ground wires or grounding connection. There’s no harm in tying a ground wire back to itself or another ground.
Posted by 0x15E
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Posted on 1/12/23 at 9:58 pm to
Thanks

Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11875 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 3:08 pm to
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WhiskeyThrottle


I'll see if I can answer your questions here.

1. A ground circuit gives a low-resistance path for electricity to flow in the event of a fault.

2. This low-resistance path will cause the fault current to increase very quickly and trip the breaker.

3. A neutral is considered a "current-carrying conductor", meaning during regular operation it should have current flowing through it and be "hot." The fact that it carries current under normal conditions is why the wire is insulated.

4. The ground wire will only have current flowing through it during a fault condition, which is why it is uninsulated.

5. The neutral and ground busses are "bonded" at the panel and both allow electricity to travel to the "ground rod" in the ground right outside your panel. But again, the neutral will normally be hot and the ground will not.

6. The ground screw on an outlet or most metal pieces of equipment will be on most of the unelectrified metal parts. This way, if a hot wire loses its insulation and sends electricity into the metal, it has a safe path to travel to ground in the panel and quickly trip the breaker. If there is no path to ground and the hot wire were to electrify something else metal, you run the risk of shocking yourself if you touch it and become part of the circuit yourself.

Grounding gets much more complex than this when putting ground grids in industrial and commercial facilities but in a residential setting it's fairly straightforward.

Let me know if anything else is confusing.
Posted by zippyputt
Member since Jul 2005
5736 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 9:32 pm to
Good info. thanks!
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