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Posted on 7/16/20 at 6:36 am
Posted by cassopher
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2010
701 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 6:36 am
Our roof had some wind and hail damage from a pre summer storm back in May and our insurance approved our roof to be replaced. We have gotten about 3 estimates, most notably one from a roofing contractor and another from a GC that has done some work in the past (albeit never on this scale). The GC’s estimate came in around $800 or so cheaper than the roofing contractor. Which would you go with, the one that does roof work everyday for $800-$1k more or the GC, who is probably just going to sub it out anyway to any guy he finds with a roofing nailer??
This post was edited on 7/16/20 at 6:48 am
Posted by Buck Dancer
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2008
4680 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 6:53 am to
Maybe show the roofer the GCs price and see if he can match. I’d hope the GC is capable of doing the roof, would just feel more comfortable using someone who mainly does roofs though.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
38763 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 7:02 am to
ask the GC who is roofer will be.
investigate the roofer and his references
make your decision then
Posted by fishfighter
RIP
Member since Apr 2008
40026 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 7:04 am to
quote:

ask the GC who is roofer will be. investigate the roofer and his references make your decision then


This 100% and if insured.
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
45804 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 7:24 am to
The roofers will work for insurance proceeds. Let me explain why you should take price out of the equation and pick the best roofer when dealing with insurance proceeds. Your policy will have depreciation withheld, for most policies this is money you get back after the work is completed. I am going to use some hypotheticals:

Insurance estimate to replace roof: $12,000
Deductible: $1000
Recoverable deprivation: $4000
Initial payout from insurance $7000

Let’s say you can negotiate and get the roof replaced for $10,0000, your insurance isn’t going to give you $4000 when the work is completed, they will give you $2000.

That is: $10000
Previous payment ($7000)
Deductible ($1000)
Second payment $2000

As I showed in my example negating down from the insurance amount provides no benefit for the homeowner, choose the roofer that is going to install the best roof.
Posted by cassopher
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2010
701 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 7:36 am to
We have already received the initial payment from the insurance company. Our recoverable depreciation is $2300.
This post was edited on 7/16/20 at 8:25 am
Posted by fishfighter
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Member since Apr 2008
40026 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 8:11 am to
Some of the best info on how insurance companies play the game. This needs a stick for young people to know what is what.
Posted by WPBTiger
Parts Unknown
Member since Nov 2011
30999 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 8:25 am to
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We have already received payment from the insurance company and they depreciated the heck out of it. No matter who we go with we are coming out of pocket at least $2k.


My roofer worked with me, he did job for what insurance paid me. Of course, there are limits to how low they can go.
Posted by cassopher
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2010
701 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 8:34 am to
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My roofer worked with me, he did job for what insurance paid me. Of course, there are limits to how low they can go.


I was wrong, I called our insurance company and they will reimburse our depreciation. I’ve never had an insurance protected project like this so I wasn’t aware.
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
45804 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 8:43 am to
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I was wrong, I called our insurance company and they will reimburse our depreciation. I’ve never had an insurance protected project like this so I wasn’t aware.


Excellent.
Posted by cassopher
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2010
701 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 8:58 am to
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wickowick


Thanks for the info...it is very much appreciated!
Posted by Willie Stroker
Member since Sep 2008
12881 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 2:35 pm to
I am also currently getting bids for a roof replacement. The process has changed since I last used insurance to replace a roof.

My insurance adjuster estimated the following:
Roof replacement: $26k
Subtract for depreciation: $11.8k (recoverable upon completion)
Subtract deductible: $5.6k

The adjuster reminded me that accepting the lowest bid will not generate personal savings - that their final payout will be the balance of the actual invoice. If the total invoice is $18k, I will only be reimbursed for the balance of that invoice, not the total $26k.

The first bidder was a roofing company that has served my community for over 20 years. I chose them because of their professional reputation. When the owner of the company showed up, he started with a discussion of how the business works and explained that he will give the insurance company a separate invoice different from what I would pay for his service - so that I could recover the deductible, and possibly some amount over it. He stated their final invoice will come very close to the max allowed by the adjuster. Their bid was $18k.

Of course I view that as insurance fraud. I can’t in good conscience do business with them. Even if my personal ethics were flexible enough to do this, I would not want to spend a period of years (statute of limitations) wondering if my roofing company would become under investigation for insurance fraud - and evidence of my transaction would cause me to be charged as a co-conspirator.

Another bidder I have lined up does more than just roofing. They have also served the community for over 20 years and also have a great reputation. But I am considering them because they also specialize in “whole house” remodeling. I am hoping I can have them also address some additional exterior damage issues at the same time, even if I end up paying for that separately.

My reason for posting this in response to the OP is that roofing does not seem to be a highly skilled profession. There are sketchy businesses out there. I will probably go with a home repair business because I want something more than a quick and inexpensive roof replacement. I want some additional work done to some areas of wood rot around some windows, soffit and fascia - things a roofing company may not do.
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
45804 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 4:06 pm to
The design of the roof will determine the amount of skill needed to keep the roof from leaking in the future. You are correct, the first guy was committing insurance fraud. Your area probably has a number of roofers that have been in business for a while. The larger roofers will have dedicated crews while the smaller guys will pull from a the local labor and have less control over the quality of work.
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