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Cathedral Ceiling Insulation Advice?

Posted on 9/10/19 at 9:30 pm
Posted by cubsgrace
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2007
1994 posts
Posted on 9/10/19 at 9:30 pm
Planning to put R38-C in my cathedral ceiling next week.

I keep reading that the Kraft paper should ALWAYS face down (against the sheetrock) on a Cathedral ceiling but some people on various websites have said that in the South it is the opposite - they say in the South the Kraft paper should face the air gap between the insultation and the roof deck because the warm air is what holds most of the moisture. It sounds logical but with reputable websites saying to ALWAYS face it down toward the room, it is making me unsure.

Who is correct?

Also, am I good to not use baffles (vent chutes) as long as I have at least an inch air gap? I have 2/12 rafters.
Posted by eng08
Member since Jan 2013
5997 posts
Posted on 9/10/19 at 10:07 pm to
Looked at dense packed cellulose for the unvented application?

A few years back I almost bought a camp with a uninsulated cathedral ceiling and it was like 110 in there in August. After all my research I kept coming back to right packed cellulose.
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
45806 posts
Posted on 9/10/19 at 10:34 pm to
What size are the rafters over that area? My bedroom has 2x8 rafters and I spray foamed the cathedral ceiling and it stays pretty damn cool even in the middle of summer.
Posted by shell01
Marianna, FL
Member since Jul 2014
793 posts
Posted on 9/10/19 at 11:36 pm to
Just renovated our house this year, including a cathedral ceiling, and never heard of putting the Kraft paper to the outside. My understanding is that kraft paper is flammable and needs to be placed against gypsum board.

Re: baffles, if you have a vented cathedral ceiling (which, from your mention of an airspace you do), you have to maintain that airspace from soffit to ridge. That typically requires a baffle at the soffit.

We used a foil radiant barrier from soffit/top plate to ridge, with spacers to maintain the airgap required for ventilation. Followed by r38 cathedral batts in our 2x12 rafters.
Posted by Nolaughingmatter
Nola
Member since Aug 2018
743 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:03 am to
2 x 12 rafters. I considered spray foam but it's expensive and I'm worried about consequences if water gets in below the roof deck, so I want it to vent to allow the flow of air to keep it dry.
Posted by Nolaughingmatter
Nola
Member since Aug 2018
743 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:05 am to
I'll look into dense packed cellulose. So far I've been leaning towards vented, though.
Posted by Nolaughingmatter
Nola
Member since Aug 2018
743 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:14 am to
I've never heard about the flammability of Kraft paper being a concern. I'll look into it, though. Paper has to be 451 degrees F to burn, right?
Posted by ItNeverRains
37069
Member since Oct 2007
25459 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 6:25 am to
My bedroom ceiling was originally 24' cathedral we lowered to 18', so there is a 6' gap in attic, but we did spray in walls and cellulose in ceiling in that room. I've never heard of facing paper the opposite way.

I will say my bedroom is the coldest room in our house during the summer, we have 10' everywhere else down except living room is 11'.
Posted by Art Vandelay
LOUISIANA
Member since Sep 2005
10700 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 7:05 am to
I have seen this done so many ways and I really dont know what’s “the right way”. I would not use paper. Look into roxul. You’ll get a better product.

Is your soffit vented? I think I would want to eliminate any moisture being introduced to that space. I would not put baffles and if your soffit is vented I would seal it.

What is going to be your finished ceiling?
Posted by fishfighter
RIP
Member since Apr 2008
40026 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 7:59 am to
quote:

Just renovated our house this year, including a cathedral ceiling, and never heard of putting the Kraft paper to the outside. My understanding is that kraft paper is flammable and needs to be placed against gypsum board.


This for sure.

quote:

Re: baffles, if you have a vented cathedral ceiling (which, from your mention of an airspace you do), you have to maintain that airspace from soffit to ridge. That typically requires a baffle at the soffit.


This also for sure.

I have R-38 in my cathedral ceiling and foam baffles above the insulation.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
17992 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:57 am to
Have you looked into using baffles and doing a dense packed blown insulation instead of batts? You'll get much better results with blown.
Posted by TDsngumbo
Alpha Silverfox
Member since Oct 2011
41605 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 11:46 am to
quote:

Who is correct?


If you're married, it's your wife. If not, it's your girlfriend. If you're gay, it's both of you. If you're single and straight, it's your mom. If she's dead, it's your sister.
Posted by Nolaughingmatter
Nola
Member since Aug 2018
743 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 2:22 pm to
I recently installed vented soffits. The people that I bought the house from had painted over the soffits and sealed almost all the holes in the soffit. They also had gone into the attic and stuffed fiberglass insulation into the areas where the cathedral ceiling is supposed to vent into the Attic. I've been having a mood issue plus that room is always super hot. Since I removed the insulation blocking the flow from the ceiling into the attic and put in the soffit vents I no longer have the mold issue. When I cut out a section of sheetrock that had water damage I could see that the insulation is very old dirty flattened fiberglass insulation so I want to remove all the sheetrock from the ceiling, change out all of the insulation, and then put up new sheetrock.
Posted by eng08
Member since Jan 2013
5997 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 2:39 pm to
If you want vented another option would be to use 1x1 along the sides of the rafters, the install foil foam boards, then Sheetrock
Posted by Nolaughingmatter
Nola
Member since Aug 2018
743 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 4:07 pm to
I have not yet looked into dense packed blown insulation so I'll read up on it.
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