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Can I mix other grasses with Bermuda?
Posted on 7/5/23 at 11:52 am
Posted on 7/5/23 at 11:52 am
I built a house in 2020. Once it was completed, I had a company hydroseed Bermuda on the property. At the time, it was nothing but dirt. No other grass on the property at all.
It's been 3 years and the grass is, well, crap. I still have complete bare spots and areas where there are more weeds than grass.
It's a couple of acres, so it's not an easy or cheap fix I'm sure.
I'm not the guy who is looking for a perfect lawn by any stretch of the imagination. Just want grass to actually grow everywhere.
Can I overseed bermuda with something else? Mix some grasses just so I have actual grass to cut instead of dirt. Is that possible? If so, what grass should I mix in?
I'm in Walker, LA.
Thanks in advance.
It's been 3 years and the grass is, well, crap. I still have complete bare spots and areas where there are more weeds than grass.
It's a couple of acres, so it's not an easy or cheap fix I'm sure.
I'm not the guy who is looking for a perfect lawn by any stretch of the imagination. Just want grass to actually grow everywhere.
Can I overseed bermuda with something else? Mix some grasses just so I have actual grass to cut instead of dirt. Is that possible? If so, what grass should I mix in?
I'm in Walker, LA.
Thanks in advance.
This post was edited on 7/5/23 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 7/5/23 at 12:28 pm to OneAyedJack
What exactly would you be mixing with your Bermuda?
If you seeded Bermuda, why not just go back with Bermuda seeds?
If you seeded Bermuda, why not just go back with Bermuda seeds?
Posted on 7/5/23 at 2:37 pm to OneAyedJack
Have you had your soil sampled? If nothing is growing, there is a lack of anything in your soil more than likely. I sent my soil off and apparently the only thing I got going for me is my pH is in range (on the alkaline side but in range none the less). I also have about 3X more calcium than the ideal range which from what I've read is inconsequential. No nitrogen, no phosphorus, no potassium, no iron, and every other mineral is flat 0 or close to it. Just pure crap. Get the soil sampled and address the nutrients before you plant anything because you may just be wasting your money otherwise.
Also, do you have a way to water where you're going to seed?
Also, do you have a way to water where you're going to seed?
Posted on 7/5/23 at 3:16 pm to LSUtigerME
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What exactly would you be mixing with your Bermuda?
Not sure. That's why I'm here. Don't really know grass.
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If you seeded Bermuda, why not just go back with Bermuda seeds?
I figured the Bermuda didn't take to my soil for some reason. My soil is basically solid clay. I was told that Bermuda would grown in damn near anything though. I'm just grasping at straws.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 3:18 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
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Have you had your soil sampled?
I haven't. But, now I will. Thanks.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 3:24 pm to OneAyedJack
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My soil is basically solid clay
That’s your problem. Have to fix that
Core aeration, topsoil then seeds
This post was edited on 7/5/23 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 7/5/23 at 4:32 pm to tigerskin
Do you know the type of Bermuda that was hydroseeded?
Clay soil is not terrible. You can absolutely grow Bermuda in it and survive. It definitely needs amendments and aeration, but even then it will grow. Ideally, bring in some topsoil but it’s not required to just have some green grass.
I also live in Walker and have grown about 1.5 acres of Bermuda seed in that same exact clay so far. In fact, I have 10 sprinklers going over about 15-20 ksqft right now.
The key is being able to water the seed and keep it moist. It’s miserable right now since it’s so damn hot, you have to water several times a day (4-5x during sunlight hours).
So, to answer your question originally, there’s no need to mix other grasses with Bermuda. You just need to find out what seed was originally used on your yard, and go from there. You can likely find a similar seed if not the exact one.
Clay soil is not terrible. You can absolutely grow Bermuda in it and survive. It definitely needs amendments and aeration, but even then it will grow. Ideally, bring in some topsoil but it’s not required to just have some green grass.
I also live in Walker and have grown about 1.5 acres of Bermuda seed in that same exact clay so far. In fact, I have 10 sprinklers going over about 15-20 ksqft right now.
The key is being able to water the seed and keep it moist. It’s miserable right now since it’s so damn hot, you have to water several times a day (4-5x during sunlight hours).
So, to answer your question originally, there’s no need to mix other grasses with Bermuda. You just need to find out what seed was originally used on your yard, and go from there. You can likely find a similar seed if not the exact one.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 9:13 pm to OneAyedJack
Don’t mix grass types. They are all different visually and Bermuda is the hardiest of grasses so if you can’t grow that you won’t grow shite. Growing grass from seed is hard work and if weeds are dominating then growing grass will be tough. A couple of things to consider-any bermuda grown from seed is a variety of common so any seed you buy will be common bermuda. Don’t stress so much in which common you buy. La prima TXD is pretty much tops on the seeded variety. I would suggest aerating, seeding, and top dressing with organic material. Then keep it wet for uo to 3 weeks.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 8:41 am to LSUtigerME
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Do you know the type of Bermuda that was hydroseeded?
It was "dune" bermuda from a place called SiteOne.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 10:54 pm to ronk
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Don’t mix grass types. They are all different visually
Ronk how can I find out what kind of hybrid bermuda grass I have growing in my yard? When my centipede died off the bermuda that was growing was probably only 1% of the entire yard. I knew it was there but the centipede kept it in check. I’d love to know what sod or plugs to buy because I’m fearful of having two cultivars that don’t match. My neighbor up in Arkansas did that years ago when I lived up that way and had a green hybrid and the other was a blueish green color. It never would grow together and mix and looked like arse. I’d like to speed this transition up albeit the bermuda is taking over nicely since it’s gotten hot. If I were to guess it’s probably Tifway 419 because that’s what a lot of sod farmers grow around here across the bay from Mobile. My buddy up in Georgia that works in the agriculture business told me he would plant Tacoma 31 if he could start over again. You are 100% right in the fact that if you are seeding bermuda that’s a variety of common bermuda and not hybrid. The internet is so full of disinformation concerning that albeit seeded bermuda has come a long way over the last decade.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 8:40 am to Earthquake 88
quote:Pics?
If I were to guess it’s probably Tifway 419
Posted on 7/7/23 at 9:05 am to Earthquake 88
Post pics. It is most likely tif 419 as that is still the most grown hybrid. Celebration is the blueish variety.
If I was going to restart I too would do Tahoma 31. It was developed by Oklahoma State University and it the most shade tolerant bermuda to date.
If I was going to restart I too would do Tahoma 31. It was developed by Oklahoma State University and it the most shade tolerant bermuda to date.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 10:05 am to ronk
Guys I’ve tried to figure out how to post pictures. Apparently I’m an idiot. I’ve been to the self help and still can’t figure it out. Can Tahoma 31 blend in well enough if say I bought 100-200 plugs? Correct on the greenish blue bermuda. That’s the name I remember after it was noted.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 10:07 am to OneAyedJack
Bermuda will grow on anything, as long as it is getting water. Adding more seed will do nothing if it begins to germinate, then dries out. Have you installed irrigation?
Posted on 7/7/23 at 10:09 am to ronk
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If I was going to restart I too would do Tahoma 31. It was developed by Oklahoma State University and it the most shade tolerant bermuda to date.
That’s exactly what Ron Henry told me.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 10:40 am to Earthquake 88
quote:If it’s blueish it’s probably Tahoma 31. In my experience, 31 is more of a dense turf than 419 and is a little more shade tolerant than 419. If you won’t be reel mowing, 419 will probably look better rotary mowed (just my opinion).
Correct on the greenish blue bermuda.
quote:Wait, was ronk’s username supposed to be ronh, but had a typo?!?
That’s exactly what Ron Henry told me.
This post was edited on 7/7/23 at 10:41 am
Posted on 7/7/23 at 1:12 pm to Tifway419
So indeed Tahoma 31 is blueish green then? I’m not familiar with it. My buddy in Georgia likes the cold tolerance on the Tahoma 31 is why he says if he could start over that’s what he would put down. I’m fairly certain it’s Tifway 419 in my yard. I called every sod farm in my county and 419 is what they are growing or TifTuf which I’m not familiar with. What’s in my yard looks amazing and I’m mowing it with a Honda self propelled rotary cut mower. It’s literally choking the centipede out.
The only thing that looks this good around my area is the Empire Zoysia I sodded my parents yard with. Either or make a fine turf yard. The bermuda is so much more affordable than zoysia to boot. Wish I would have switched a long time ago.
The only thing that looks this good around my area is the Empire Zoysia I sodded my parents yard with. Either or make a fine turf yard. The bermuda is so much more affordable than zoysia to boot. Wish I would have switched a long time ago.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 1:56 pm to Earthquake 88
Yes Tahoma is more of a blue. But to be honest, they’re similar and I wouldn’t be confident judging from a single picture without a side by side comparison of the two types.
I have 419 because I like the look better and know more about it. But it has essentially zero shade tolerance. If you have shade at all, you should go with Tahoma 31.
I have 419 because I like the look better and know more about it. But it has essentially zero shade tolerance. If you have shade at all, you should go with Tahoma 31.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 2:38 pm to Tifway419
Other than an Emperor Japanese Maple and five Delta Blue Vitex I’m free of shade. Those two type of trees don’t get big. With hurricanes and what not I just decided I’d rather not have any large trees in my yard. That 419 is some mighty fine looking turf grass. It took me a minute to get the weeds under control this growing season, but my yard looks like a golf course fairway where I have a lot of it. The three hard late freezes just did a number on that centipede in my yard. By accident now I’ve got hybrid bermuda and I’m not mad about it either.
This post was edited on 7/7/23 at 2:41 pm
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