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Bermudagrass and other weeds cropping up in Zoysia

Posted on 6/23/23 at 9:47 am
Posted by WhiskeyThrottle
Weatherford Tx
Member since Nov 2017
7252 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 9:47 am
I have runners of bermudagrass in my new zoysia. This stuff is infuriating. I know from past experience how impossible this stuff is. I've been pulling the runners as they come up, but that's not productive I know.

Can I apply Turflon Ester and FusiladeII without hurting the zoysia? The mixture I'm seeing is 1oz Turflon Ester and 1/2 oz Fusilade II per gallon to treat 1,000 sq ft. I have 8000 sq ft. Also, will this take care of these other weeds I'm getting or do I need something else for those?

I also have what looks to be a different grass in a few areas. Looks like they threw a square of bermuda or different kind of zoysia in with the palisades zoysia in a couple of different areas.

Location: Weatherford Tx
Grass Type: Palisades Zoysia - sodded in April

I've applied a round of slow release 28-0-0 a week ago.

Watering every day right now for 20 minutes a zone in the morning.







Posted by Tifway419
Member since Sep 2022
2246 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 10:29 am to
I doubt they mixed a piece of Bermuda from a sod farm, but if they did then the seed heads will be sterile. If common bermuda was already growing there, it’s possible it grew through the new turf and those seed heads will reproduce. If this is the case, I’d consider using a pre-emergent to stop the spreading process, but you might harm your new sod though and it’s probably not recommended.

Pulling the runners is what I’d try to do if it’s in just a few small spots. I’d also bag your clippings when you cut.

Bermuda likes Nitrogen more than Zoysia, so starving it out could have been an option, but sounds like it’s too late for that.

Next, I think Zoysia is more tolerant of excess water than Bermuda is so your daily watering might help kill off the Bermuda.

Curious what others have to say about this..

Good luck bud, that sucks. Keep us posted.
Posted by ronk
Member since Jan 2015
7616 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 10:30 am to
Yes, you can spray that in zoysia to control bermuda. It will be a constant battle and will yellow your zoysia. Focus on that before mixing something to control broadleafs. You throw something like celsius or msm and you'll start damaging your zoysia.
Posted by Ziggy
Member since Oct 2007
22115 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 10:42 am to
quote:

ronk

I know it's not recommended to spray for weeds in new sod, but have a few areas of (what looks like nutsedge) popping up in new Tifway 419 Bermuda sod.

Other than individually hand pulling each weed (which I've been doing although it's cumbersome with 10,000SF of sod), what would you recommend for spot treating these weeds that won't damage the sod? Sod was planted about 5 weeks ago.

Thank you sir.
Posted by WhiskeyThrottle
Weatherford Tx
Member since Nov 2017
7252 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 11:27 am to
Should I spot treat the areas that I'm seeing the bermuda or should I treat the whole yard? So far it's isolated to a couple of areas. I guess spot treating those would make more sense. But can I treat a large area (like 100 sq ft) or do I need to really isolate it to where I see the growth? Sorry for the questions. This is my first effort to ever really maintain a yard.

And should I do this on a schedule like every 4 weeks? From my understanding, I'm just managing the bermuda at this point. So it'll need to be a routine. Just really don't want to flush my sod money down the drain by putting something stupid on my yard.

Tifway, you're right. It is just one of the native weeds that were at this house before I bought it. The previous owner HATED being outside in any fashion. So he just let it all grow and when he did mow, he would mow it as low as he could.

The soil is really not great here. We're about 2 blocks from where they were mining gravel. I walked back to where the mine was and it's literally an 80' sheer ledge and the entire ledge is gravel and rock. I really want to plant some trees but I'm going to have to dig as big of a hole as I can and backfill with good dirt before planting any trees.

I sent off a soil sample last week to see what all I'm lacking. I suspect the soil is alkaline, and lacking a lot of nutrients. I'll post the results when I get them.
Posted by ronk
Member since Jan 2015
7616 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 4:37 pm to
Is your sod rooted down and have you mowed twice? If so then you can spot treat sedgehammer.
Posted by ronk
Member since Jan 2015
7616 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 4:40 pm to
I would do a test spot. Treat the bermuda area and check it in 3-4 days. If it isn't starting to yellow then treat all of the bermuda areas. I suggest only treating where the bermuda is. No since in over treating areas. While zoysia tolerates these herbicides it is key to remember the word tolerate doesn't equal loves it.
Posted by Earthquake 88
Mobile
Member since Jan 2010
3332 posts
Posted on 6/25/23 at 11:33 am to
Grass issues are so odd from one person to the next. My parents have Empire Zoysia and it’s growing into their neighbors hybrid bermuda and chocking it out. I didn’t think you were supposed to fertilize zoysia with 29% nitrogen? The turf farm told my dad to use something along the lines of 15-0-15 and don’t put it out more than twice a growing season.

That bermuda loves high nitrogen fertilizer. Turns it green and makes it go go go.
Posted by Earthquake 88
Mobile
Member since Jan 2010
3332 posts
Posted on 6/25/23 at 11:44 am to
OP, Palisades Zoysia is such a beautiful yard. You really hit that one out of the park your pictures look lovely. Sort of reminds me of the summer yards up north. My buddy has Palisades and when you walk on it you can see your footprints for a little while. That’s such an easy yard to maintain in comparison to some other species. That stuff is $280 a pallet in Mobile which I thought was reasonable because my dad paid $350 for Empire Zoysia and that was 6 years ago.
Posted by WhiskeyThrottle
Weatherford Tx
Member since Nov 2017
7252 posts
Posted on 6/30/23 at 11:17 am to
So I just got my soil sample back. What can I do for now that won't hurt the yard?

Posted by Tifway419
Member since Sep 2022
2246 posts
Posted on 6/30/23 at 11:38 am to
Lowes has a sale right now on Lesco fertilizers. There’s a starter fert that’s 18-24-12 that would be good for your new sod. Keep in mind that this will also make the Bermuda grow as well.

Ronk will probably recommend Carbon Pro-G, which is a soil amendment. It doesn’t have macronutrients (N-P-K) so you should be able to apply a few days after your regular fertilizer.

You’re low on micronutrients, but that’s not absolutely necessary right now. I use N-Ext products, they have a liquid called Micro-Greene that has the micronutrients that would help if you don’t mind spending the money.
Posted by WhiskeyThrottle
Weatherford Tx
Member since Nov 2017
7252 posts
Posted on 6/30/23 at 11:40 am to
Thanks man. Overall I'm really happy with it so far outside of the bermudagrass being a PITA. It seems to have slowed down in this heat so hopefully the zoysia has time to choke it out a little more. Think I sourced mine for $270 a pallet also. It was priced at $300 but a buddy works for a landscape company and I got their discount. It's mostly growing like wildfire but I do have a couple of spots that are concerning. Not sure what is different about this particular area but it's just kinda struggling. The lighter green area is what I'm talking about. The brown spots are where the dogs have peed. I'll have to pull a couple of plugs to get those healing up.



Posted by WhiskeyThrottle
Weatherford Tx
Member since Nov 2017
7252 posts
Posted on 6/30/23 at 11:42 am to
Any concerns with these products applying in the heat of the summer? I also applied some slow release nitrogen a few weeks back at 28-0-0. Is the additional nitrogen going to have any adverse affects?
Posted by Tifway419
Member since Sep 2022
2246 posts
Posted on 6/30/23 at 12:04 pm to
The lighter green spot might just be lacking water in this heat. Try to hand water just that area and see if it helps. You should see a difference in about 2 days if it’s just lacking water.

Yes, there are risks with fertilizing in the heat. Temps over about 85 degrees is stressful for the lawn already, so just keep that in mind. Organic (or slow release) would be better than synthetic ferts right now.

Pee spots suck, I trained my dog to do her business in one section of my lawn that is out of sight. She destroyed the grass so I let the weeds grow…better than dirt! Just be mindful that those thin or dead spots are prime real estate for weeds and that Bermuda to grow.
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