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Attic air sealing and adding blown insulation

Posted on 6/24/20 at 12:50 pm
Posted by DukeSilver
Member since Jan 2014
2720 posts
Posted on 6/24/20 at 12:50 pm
Anyone ever done this DIY. I was thinking of rolling the batt insulation back and doing a good air sealing job on all pips and fixtures and then adding some blow fiberglass or cellulose insulation on top of the bat that's already there once I've done that. Anyone ever done this?

Alternatively, anyone ever paid to have it done? I'm wondering what the average markup on doing it is? If it's only a marginal savings I may pay someone to do it to avoid the headache but if it's significant I'd just do it myself.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5266 posts
Posted on 6/24/20 at 1:07 pm to
Following as I want to do the same. That you have batt insulation in the attic currently would certainly make this an easier DYI job of sealing attic air leaks prior to having added blown in insulation. I have blown in and moving that aside to seal leaks before adding additional insulation is not very appealing.

My intent is to hire someone to blower door test to determine/identify significant areas of leakage first, and go forward from there.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
17979 posts
Posted on 6/24/20 at 1:36 pm to
if you do just blown cellulose, it will settle and seal very well on its own. You won't gain a whole lot by caulking the gaps with blown cellulose.
Posted by Jimbo1975
Chackbay
Member since May 2020
150 posts
Posted on 6/24/20 at 1:45 pm to
I did the cellulose insulation and bought everything at home depot. The blower/ hopper I rented at home depot also.It ran me about 400 for everything. Made my wife feed the hopper and did it myself. Goes really fast did the hole howse in about 2 hours. Added 6 inches of thickness over my old fiberglass insulation. The next month my electric bill was cut by 30%.
This post was edited on 6/24/20 at 1:46 pm
Posted by DukeSilver
Member since Jan 2014
2720 posts
Posted on 6/24/20 at 1:52 pm to
quote:

I did the cellulose insulation and bought everything at home depot. The blower/ hopper I rented at home depot also.It ran me about 400 for everything. Made my wife feed the hopper and did it myself. Goes really fast did the hole howse in about 2 hours. Added 6 inches of thickness over my old fiberglass insulation. The next month my electric bill was cut by 30%.
Did you have regular bat insulation down before and just added the cellulose on top?

Really hoping for a 30% decrease on my bill that would be ideal.

What's the square footage of your attic? If I can knock it out for $400 that'd be great.
This post was edited on 6/24/20 at 2:15 pm
Posted by DukeSilver
Member since Jan 2014
2720 posts
Posted on 6/24/20 at 2:00 pm to
quote:

if you do just blown cellulose, it will settle and seal very well on its own. You won't gain a whole lot by caulking the gaps with blown cellulose.


If I already had blown up there and it was a pain to move it all to apply the sealant I may not worry about it, the batt is just too easy to move aside that I might as well do it before adding the blown.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5266 posts
Posted on 6/24/20 at 2:11 pm to
quote:

if you do just blown cellulose, it will settle and seal very well on its own. You won't gain a whole lot by caulking the gaps with blown cellulose.

If that’s a fact, and I know you are knowledgeable on this subject, then that would make this process much easier. Can I assume you would recommend air sealing recessed canned light fixtures, and other potentially large, though few in number, attic infiltration areas prior to adding blown in cellulose?

I have blown in R-30 fiberglass which off course has settled to some degree over 25 years, and I would like to go to at least R-38. OK to add blown in celllulose over blown in fiberglass?
Posted by Jimbo1975
Chackbay
Member since May 2020
150 posts
Posted on 6/24/20 at 2:22 pm to
Yes we did. This was and older house. around 2000 sf house. hip roof old style 4 on 12. My wife was not happy on feeding the hopper. She was covered from head to toe . It's a little messy. Just make sure you put the hopper outside. I think at the time a bundle was around 3 bucks and used around 90 to 100 bundles. the hopper was at the time around 150 rental with 200' hose.
This post was edited on 6/24/20 at 2:38 pm
Posted by DukeSilver
Member since Jan 2014
2720 posts
Posted on 6/24/20 at 2:38 pm to
Awesome, good to hear. i actually think the home depot by me will give you the machine rental for free if you buy enough of the cellulose.

Thanks for the input
Posted by Jimbo1975
Chackbay
Member since May 2020
150 posts
Posted on 6/24/20 at 2:41 pm to
Holly crap i just checked home depot on the website. And the bundles if you buy 100 are more they are $8.18 a bundle. 11 bucks for single. they were 3 buck 5 years ago. fkn inflation. So if you do it yourself looks like now it will run you about a grand.
LINK
This post was edited on 6/24/20 at 2:45 pm
Posted by DukeSilver
Member since Jan 2014
2720 posts
Posted on 6/24/20 at 2:51 pm to
Hm I wonder how many bags I'd need, my house is 2 story so my attic is smaller than 2000 square feet.
Posted by Jimbo1975
Chackbay
Member since May 2020
150 posts
Posted on 6/24/20 at 3:03 pm to
Just measure length x with of your attic. this will give you a square footage. I think this is calculated by 3" of insulation by bundle. It's on the back of the bundle.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
17979 posts
Posted on 6/24/20 at 4:10 pm to
quote:

Can I assume you would recommend air sealing recessed canned light fixtures, and other potentially large, though few in number, attic infiltration areas prior to adding blown in cellulose?


sealing the penetrations will only help things. I can't remember all the details off the top of my head but if nothing else, sealing penetrations before blowing cellulose may help reduce initial "dust" that will settle into your interior spaces from the attic cellulose until the cellulose settles fully. With blown cellulose, I think the benefits of caulking from an energy standpoint are in the 2-3% range but I will look for some documentation on that.

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I have blown in R-30 fiberglass which off course has settled to some degree over 25 years, and I would like to go to at least R-38. OK to add blown in celllulose over blown in fiberglass?


Yes! It is called capping. Capping blown fiberglass with a good thick layer of cellulose will actually improve the R rating of the fiberglass at cold temperatures in addition to the added R value from the cellulose. Oak Ridge National Labs had some good research on this topic.
This post was edited on 6/24/20 at 4:12 pm
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
27549 posts
Posted on 6/24/20 at 4:37 pm to
Side question.

I am getting quotes go have work done in my attic, Northern Indiana. I have a quote to fill it with blown fiberglass to R30 and they threw in an upgraded quote to fill it to R38 instead for an additional $190.

Is the functional difference between R30 and R38 worth that?
Posted by DukeSilver
Member since Jan 2014
2720 posts
Posted on 6/25/20 at 9:07 am to
Was in my attic scoping out the scene yesterday. My home is 2 stories but some sections are 1 story so there are multiple parts to my attic, one of which ill have to climb down to through a smallish gap......should be fun.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5266 posts
Posted on 6/25/20 at 10:06 am to
quote:

I am getting quotes go have work done in my attic, Northern Indiana. I have a quote to fill it with blown fiberglass to R30 and they threw in an upgraded quote to fill it to R38 instead for an additional $190.

Is the functional difference between R30 and R38 worth that?


Only $190, I would, and you might even considered going higher than R-38, particularly if you plan to live in that house for some years. Have you seen these recommendations?

LINK
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
17979 posts
Posted on 6/25/20 at 10:19 am to
quote:

Side question.

I am getting quotes go have work done in my attic, Northern Indiana. I have a quote to fill it with blown fiberglass to R30 and they threw in an upgraded quote to fill it to R38 instead for an additional $190.

Is the functional difference between R30 and R38 worth that?


There are calculators out there to help if you are trying to decide based on length of return on investment. IMO, yes, that is cheap. I would go as high as I could afford. Where I am at in KC, R50 would be a good target. We may get colder than you, though.

Looks like energy guidelines also recommend R50 for your area. IN that case, it probably has a very quick payback.

LINK


EDIT: oops, crawdude beat me. I should have read the whole thread. Sorry.
This post was edited on 6/25/20 at 10:20 am
Posted by The Quiet One
Former United States
Member since Oct 2013
11599 posts
Posted on 6/25/20 at 11:00 am to
LOL I was just coming to post a thread of my own.

I hired a company to do the work because I live in AZ and it’s 111 degrees today. I’m not going in that attic.

They’re sealing, blowing, replacing my return, redoing the duct work to a 2-trunk system and adding a second return. But one of their baws fell through the ceiling 2 hours ago. EMTs showed up and checked him out. Luckily he’ll be OK. Only damage was the sheet rock. Their boss came over and said they’d fix it and knock a bit off the original bill.

All it takes is one misstep in an attic. No thanks.

ETA pic
This post was edited on 6/25/20 at 11:04 am
Posted by gumbo2176
Member since May 2018
15091 posts
Posted on 6/25/20 at 11:30 am to
quote:

All it takes is one misstep in an attic. No thanks.



Could have been worse. He could have straddled the ceiling joist and pushed his nuts up to his throat. I'd take an 8 ft. drop over feeling my nuts move every time I swallow for a few hours.
Posted by eng08
Member since Jan 2013
5997 posts
Posted on 6/25/20 at 12:21 pm to
I hired the guys to come blow in fiberglass on abt 2500 sf they topped off, was $700. In and out in 1 hr.

I sealed around my cab light boxes with spray foam the night before they showed up and it’s worked pretty well
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