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Smiling Politely
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Advice on how to utilize a side courtyard (new construction)
Planning to build a house and the plan we picked has a cutout on the side for a courtyard. Pretty cool option is to make that the "outdoor kitchen" area as it is right off of the actual kitchen and will be protected from wind, etc. and has a covered patio included.

My dilemma is that I will also want to entertain in the backyard once a pool is built but don't really want redundant equipment back there. And then I have to figure out what to do with the rest of the courtyard - brick is all in / landscaping / water feature etc.

And also torn on where to put a fireplace, assuming I only put in one out of the two.

Thoughts?



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re: Advice on how to utilize a side courtyard (new construction)
Swap the family room and Covered Patio 1 so the family room is in line with the kitchen and have a larger covered patio.


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hungryone
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re: Advice on how to utilize a side courtyard (new construction)
I’d swap the family room and kitchen positions, and redesign the kitchen layout to flow/be open to the backyard. This would eliminate the need for a redundant complete outdoor kitchen.

Keep side courtyard as a garden room....something pretty to look at from the family room. Don’t brick it in, go with something green..whether ground over or a small lawn or landscaped beds.



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AmosMosesAndTwins
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re: Advice on how to utilize a side courtyard (new construction)
Hide the garage doors over there instead of them dominating the front.


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baseballmind1212
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re: Advice on how to utilize a side courtyard (new construction)
Swap family room and covered patio like above posters said.

Ill throw in an extra. Take the 10-20k you would use in a mid to high end outdoor kitchen build and put in a floor to ceiling 8-10' retractable glass wall.

You could then turn your indoor kitchen into an outdoor kitchen anytime you want.


Smiling Politely
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re: Advice on how to utilize a side courtyard (new construction)
Lol I appreciate the comments...but let’s just assume I’m not going to completely redesign the house. Any other thoughts?

I agree with keeping the courtyard green by the way. Gonna need something nice to look out onto from my study.


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re: Advice on how to utilize a side courtyard (new construction)
No point in putting outdoor kitchen where it won’t be functional. Just do that in the back by the pool. Then decide if you want to have the fireplace in the back also or maybe that would be ok to have in a separate courtyard on the side. Courtyard seems like a waste of space to me if all the functional stuff will be in the backyard.


Smiling Politely
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re: Advice on how to utilize a side courtyard (new construction)
Why wouldn’t it be functional right off of the kitchen?

My main concern about putting it in the back is walking through the living room with food and crap. But I know there will be days by the pool where I want to cook out. Maybe I’ll just do a traeger that can move back and forth and put a simple griddle on the courtyard space.


mtcheral
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re: Advice on how to utilize a side courtyard (new construction)
It would be nice to have it next to kitchen for access. But it would be more functional to have it in backyard where your pool and main patio would be. You want to cook outside in courtyard then haul cooked food out to the back?


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re: Advice on how to utilize a side courtyard (new construction)
What are your lot dimensions and what can be viewed from the sides of the house? Is this a corner lot? How close are neighboring homes?
Which direction is North?


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re: Advice on how to utilize a side courtyard (new construction)
I will just say I’ve seen many of these courtyards that were a muddy mess. Make sure you oversize the drain pipe and have it properly graded.


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Smiling Politely
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re: Advice on how to utilize a side courtyard (new construction)
It’s a 69 ft wide lot by about 170 deep - this is in dallas area and it’s a cul de sac lot. To the courtyard side there will be another house but mostly just their side yard with wrought iron fencing. Screening will be done with landscaping but I think it will be pretty private because there’s some distance before the next home due to lot sizes. And the home faces south so courtyard is facing west-southwest.


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ItNeverRains
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re: Advice on how to utilize a side courtyard (new construction)
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Lol I appreciate the comments...but let’s just assume I’m not going to completely redesign the house. Any other thoughts?


I’ve got a feeling in communities with houses like this even if you wanted to they wouldn’t do it.

Please kill the offset fireplace. It looks stupid and makes the master look stupid by eating up wall. If you really want one for those chilly Dallas nights (all 12 of them) put it on the left wall in family room centered between those two windows. That’s your natural focal point for that room anyways. Put a really nice butlers pantry on the wall where the wonky offset fireplace was drawn and run a farm table long ways to define the space. See if they will leave you wiring in ceiling so you can hang dining fixture after you figure out where table will go.

Put a cooking area in back by pool. I’d put a fire pit centered in that courtyard and run rope lighting on an arbor and use it for my low key evening hanging area, especially since master on back of house. Little more private.

This post was edited on 2/6 at 5:45 am


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MikeBRLA
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re: Advice on how to utilize a side courtyard (new construction)
Your pantry door is swinging the wrong way. It will hit the garage door as drawn and there is no reason not to have it open into the pantry.


Smiling Politely
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re: Advice on how to utilize a side courtyard (new construction)
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Your pantry door is swinging the wrong way. It will hit the garage door as drawn and there is no reason not to have it open into the pantry.



Good catch! Adding that to my rather long list of requests and changes.


hungryone
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re: Advice on how to utilize a side courtyard (new construction)
More on doors: pocket doors make things far less cluttered than swing doors. Look at your BR2: replace the swing doors for pocket doors in the bathroom entry and walk in closet. Ditto for the WIC in your master BR; I'd do the same for the pantry as well.


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MikeBRLA
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re: Advice on how to utilize a side courtyard (new construction)
Also remove the window in the master overlooking the patio. It makes the master uneven and there is no reason for someone on your patio to look into the master (think teenagers hanging out there while you are trying to sleep).

The last house I built had the master and patio next to each other similar to yours and not once have I ever thought it would be nice to have a window where yours is drawn.


hungryone
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re: Advice on how to utilize a side courtyard (new construction)
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Also remove the window in the master overlooking the patio. It makes the master uneven and there is no reason for someone on your patio to look into the master (think teenagers hanging out there while you are trying to sleep).

Good point--though I'd put in a clerestory style window (high on the wall) for light (I hate dark rooms) while maintaing privacy from patio.


Smiling Politely
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re: Advice on how to utilize a side courtyard (new construction)
Yeah I was already looking into adding a couple of pocket doors - media room too just to eliminate the swing.

Good call on the master window too - I would like to have either built in storage there or a pool bath anyway.


ItNeverRains
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re: Advice on how to utilize a side courtyard (new construction)
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Yeah I was already looking into adding a couple of pocket doors


Pocket doors are great. I have 10. Should of had 13 let my wife talk me out of 3.


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