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AC surge protector and hard start kit

Posted on 7/30/20 at 12:00 pm
Posted by tigers444
Member since Jun 2009
3083 posts
Posted on 7/30/20 at 12:00 pm
Got a tune up done and the AC guy recommended these 2 things. Unit is about 1.5 years old if that matters. Should I get these things? If so, are they hard to install by myself?

Surge protector $250
Hard start kit $250
Remy Halo $1100 was also recommended the past few times but I passed on this.
Posted by The Nino
Member since Jan 2010
21521 posts
Posted on 7/30/20 at 12:18 pm to
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Surge protector $250
Since its a new unit, might not be the worst idea ever
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Hard start kit $250
Is this like a souped up start capacitor?
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Remy Halo $1100 was also recommended the past few times but I passed on this.
Nearly hospital grade air filtration for your house? Sounds legit

ETA: how long has this guy been servicing your AC?
This post was edited on 7/30/20 at 12:20 pm
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5266 posts
Posted on 7/30/20 at 12:25 pm to
I do think that is a good idea. A 5-2-1 hard start capacitor kit is about $50 and a easy DYI project. If you can change a capacitor you can easily install the hard start kit yourself. Many YouTube videos on this. I DYI’d installed a hard start kit on my HVAC last month. Many higher end condenser units come with hard start capacitors installed at the factory.

Apparently heat and voltage spikes are the 2 main factors which take out capacitors prematurely. Though it looks to me a HVAC surge protector, whose main function is to protect the compressor, is also not a difficult DYI item to install on your outside 240V disconnect, and I presently don’t have one on my unit, I’m going to have a electrician install one for me. I know I can do it myself I just don’t like messing with 230/240 volts. I need to get a electrician to the house for another job figured I’d just let them install one for while they are here for the other job. Here is a video I watched a couple days ago on this - this guy is a HVAC company owner in FL and a licensed electrician. LINK

Also many recommend that a surge protector be installed on the HVAC even if you have a whole house surge protector as many surges can originate internally within the house bypassing the whole house surge protector.

No recommendation on the Halo - don’t know enough about them.
This post was edited on 7/30/20 at 12:58 pm
Posted by BHS78
Member since May 2017
2057 posts
Posted on 7/30/20 at 1:40 pm to
How many hours does it take for this company? Sounds like the company that I ran off, got tired of $250 recommendations.
Posted by tigers444
Member since Jun 2009
3083 posts
Posted on 7/30/20 at 5:09 pm to
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Is this like a souped up start capacitor?

No idea what it is.

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Nearly hospital grade air filtration for your house? Sounds legit

He said it makes sure that mold doesn't build up in the system.

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ETA: how long has this guy been servicing your AC?

As long as the unit. It made more sense than the home warranty so I kept them on. I will probably drop them after my winter tune-up.
Posted by tigers444
Member since Jun 2009
3083 posts
Posted on 7/30/20 at 5:11 pm to
I'm pretty handy so I think I should be able to figure it out...at least the hard start capacitor kit. But I also have some friends that are (or know) of some electricians that may be able to help if I need. I will probably get both the kit and the surge protector done elsewhere after I do more research and if I think I can DIY.

Thanks for the info!
Posted by tigers444
Member since Jun 2009
3083 posts
Posted on 7/30/20 at 5:13 pm to
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How many hours does it take for this company? Sounds like the company that I ran off, got tired of $250 recommendations.

Hour or so. Basically, change out filters and check both units to make sure it's running right. I'm getting tired of these recs also. I'm thinking about cancelling after the winter tune-up.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5266 posts
Posted on 7/30/20 at 6:05 pm to
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tigers444

If you, and others, want to learn a bit more on the function of a “hard start” capacitor and the advantages they provide in our hot climate watch this 30 min classroom lecture video (HVAC instructor teaching a class to HVAC students - guy is a good instructor) LINK. You can get the skinny in the first 12 min or so but the last 5 min of so is important as well because he discusses what hard start capacitors to avoid and why.

I installed the 5-2-1 start kit by CPS Products.
Posted by LEASTBAY
Member since Aug 2007
14285 posts
Posted on 7/30/20 at 9:32 pm to
2 extra capacitors $25 done. Mine went out yesterday.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20444 posts
Posted on 7/30/20 at 10:11 pm to
A service call to replace a capacitor is about $250. Doesn’t make much sense to pay $250 or whatever in the chance you need it. As often as we talk about them happening on here, it’s really not that often that a capacitor goes bad. Maybe once or twice in the life of a 8-15 year AC unit. Many units go their entire life without many problems at all.

Also OP, Hvac work is about to become cheaper once the fall and cool weather hits and they aren’t as busy.
Posted by LSUA 75
Colfax,La.
Member since Jan 2019
3702 posts
Posted on 7/30/20 at 10:42 pm to
I looked up the REME HALO,sounds similar to the thing I added to my system.Mine is a Global Plasma System ionizer,guy recommended it because I had mold growing in the air handler.Got rid of the mold and eliminates odor from frying foods.The website doesn’t mention it but the tech told me it would eliminate static electricity in the winter and he was right.It was $1000.00 but I think it was worth it.
Posted by westom
Member since May 2015
32 posts
Posted on 7/31/20 at 8:50 am to
Surge protector never does surge protection. A protector is only a connecting device to what does all protection - to what harmlessly dissipates hundreds of thousands of joules.

If an A/C needs that protection, then every household appliance (dishwasher, clock radios, washing machine, LED & CFL bulbs, modem, refrigerator, GFCIs, door bell, garage door opener, microwave oven, dimmer switches, and smoke detectors) must be protected.

Protection only exists when a potentially destructive transient is connected low impedance (ie less than 10 feet) to earth. Only earth harmlessly absorbs surge - as made obvious by the number - hundreds of thousands of joules.

A protector in an A/C has no earth ground. Earth ground only exists at the service entrance. Where effective protectors (installed for free and required by code) also exist for telephone, TV cable, satellite dish, etc.

One 'whole house' protector, that costs about $1 per protected appliance, is also superior protection for an A/C. Since that is how it was done in all facilities that could not have damage even 100 years ago.

An effective solution always answers this question. Where do hundreds of thousands of joules harmlessly dissipate? Lightning is typically 20,000 amps. So a minimal 'whole house' protector is 50,000 amps. Then it is a connecting device so that hundreds of thousands of joules dissipate harmlessly in earth. Are not anywhere inside a home.
Posted by CORIMA
LAFAYETTE
Member since May 2014
523 posts
Posted on 7/31/20 at 9:18 am to
Sound like you had a salesman rather than a technician
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