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Posted on 5/12/19 at 12:44 pm to lsu777
I want to do the standard 'arms' template of the program, but my outdoor gym has no pullup bar available. Any ideas on what to do instead? More curls? More deadlift sets for back volume?
I guess my goals are to get my big lifts up, bulk up muscle mass now, and work on the guns!
I guess my goals are to get my big lifts up, bulk up muscle mass now, and work on the guns!
Posted on 5/12/19 at 2:11 pm to Pooswa
Man they shouldn't, especially with the percentage of protein
Posted on 5/13/19 at 7:42 pm to lsu777
I did better today on my macros, I still need To get 108 g of protein but I've got that with a couple protein shakes with my workout tonight. Got sidetracked with my homework over the weekend with a new Orleans trip sandwiched in there but I'm back on the horse today. The first few days were a kick in the nuts tho.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:36 pm to burgeman
You're ahead of me. I officially started today. Just finished the last of my homework.
I'm not even close to being hungry right now but I'm forcing myself to eat more b/c I'm still about 600 calories below my caloric goal. My proportions for my macros are good though.
The 2 AMRAP sets of squats did a number on me today, even at the much lower weight than I've been squatting. Legs felt like Jell-O and I was worn out. Think I'm gonna move squats and deadlifts to the end of my workout going forward.
I'm not even close to being hungry right now but I'm forcing myself to eat more b/c I'm still about 600 calories below my caloric goal. My proportions for my macros are good though.
The 2 AMRAP sets of squats did a number on me today, even at the much lower weight than I've been squatting. Legs felt like Jell-O and I was worn out. Think I'm gonna move squats and deadlifts to the end of my workout going forward.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 10:41 pm to That's BS
Yeah if they are giving you jello legs, move to the end. And yea the higher rep squats are a kick in the taint for sure.
And yea the homework looks easy on paper, but it builds on you.
And yea the homework looks easy on paper, but it builds on you.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 7:00 am to lsu777
Any good videos on front squat technique? I've never done them and next workout calls for some amrap. Want to make sure I don't crush myself.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:49 am to lsu777
1st day was Monday, the workout was pretty easy but i'm sure that it will get tougher as the weights get heavier. The hardest part was finding time for all the home work. I do have a question about my next lift day though. I'm supposed to do weighted racked chins, didn't know what they were so I googled. Whats the difference between these and normal pull ups? Easier so you can load more weight?
Posted on 5/14/19 at 11:39 am to Leroii
Much easier to allow loading as you are taking away 40-50% of your bodyweight, the. You can add 2.5 lbs per workout to progress. Plus allows a deep stretch
Posted on 5/14/19 at 11:42 am to burgeman
Posted on 5/16/19 at 4:14 am to lsu777
Cool thanks.
You've written about why Greyskull is better than Stronglifts and SS, but could you share your thoughts on how it compares to other programs? Say 531?
You've written about why Greyskull is better than Stronglifts and SS, but could you share your thoughts on how it compares to other programs? Say 531?
Posted on 5/17/19 at 7:46 pm to numptythrubbers
Sure, I'll type something up this weekend. I love 531 btw, one of my favorite programs but it is more of an advanced program imo with monthly progress, also is much more complicated with the rotating percentages.
Posted on 5/18/19 at 12:55 am to lsu777
Cool I think that would be interesting. Wouldnt mind hearing your thoughts on it's comparison to a program like GZCLP too.
I can see the similarities between these programs but just interested in to how you think one might be better than another, or whether it even matters at all!
I can see the similarities between these programs but just interested in to how you think one might be better than another, or whether it even matters at all!
Posted on 5/18/19 at 9:22 am to numptythrubbers
Well 531 and gzcl are very similar
They both use percentage based programming
Both use a tiered system, they just call it something else
Both are extremely flexible for any goal. Both can be high or low volume depending on how you set it up
Now 531 has more varients making it a bit better in my opinion. Also 531 uses what Jim calls leaders and anchor templates. This allows for a lot better overall periodization, allowing you to cycle higher volume more hypertrophy based strength work to higher intensity based strength work. Jim also uses the 6 steps forward 3 back periodization method which allows for greater overall progress long term.
Now you can use Jim's progression models above and apply to Cody's gzcl, especially jackd & tan 2.0.
Now Reverse pyramid training is another good scheme and is the intermediate programming used by greyskull. The reason why is it allows you to continue to make overall strength gains in a linear fashion using a double progression model. Greyskull usually uses 3 set rpt on the main lifts during hypertrophy or strength phases and 2 set on cutting phases. Greyskull uses a dependent model that Martin Berkham has written about on his leangains site. We focus on beating the log book, i.e. setting rep records that we track.
Many times we combine this with supplemental work that is focused on adding volume. For example taking my aesthetic template and change the main lifts to RPT and you would be very close to what greyskull uses on a many intermediate guys. We rotate lifts as progress stalls which usually takes a while.
During hypertrophy phases where hypertrophy is 100% the focus we do the main lifts, then we focus a shite ton on the total work method on lifts like chins, dips, zpress etc and we push the volume up. Similar to how 531 building the monolith does. Also use methods like emom and amrap in a time frame on those exercises. Have to be eating and sleeping for hypertrophy
As one stalls or one want more hypertrophy based cycle we will start doing the supplemental/accessory lifts using rest pause fashion.
Then as you advance you move to the powerlifting intensity techniques starting with the forced reps technique, pre exhaust, lastly rest pause.
I'll try to write more about this. But in general you run the lp, then move to reverse pyramid training then you can move to 531/gczl/greyskull powerbuilding then you move to westside/DC training/fortitude training/ mountain dog training
Not that the latter don't work early on in your lifting career it's just that you need to build a base first to take advantage of those programs.
They both use percentage based programming
Both use a tiered system, they just call it something else
Both are extremely flexible for any goal. Both can be high or low volume depending on how you set it up
Now 531 has more varients making it a bit better in my opinion. Also 531 uses what Jim calls leaders and anchor templates. This allows for a lot better overall periodization, allowing you to cycle higher volume more hypertrophy based strength work to higher intensity based strength work. Jim also uses the 6 steps forward 3 back periodization method which allows for greater overall progress long term.
Now you can use Jim's progression models above and apply to Cody's gzcl, especially jackd & tan 2.0.
Now Reverse pyramid training is another good scheme and is the intermediate programming used by greyskull. The reason why is it allows you to continue to make overall strength gains in a linear fashion using a double progression model. Greyskull usually uses 3 set rpt on the main lifts during hypertrophy or strength phases and 2 set on cutting phases. Greyskull uses a dependent model that Martin Berkham has written about on his leangains site. We focus on beating the log book, i.e. setting rep records that we track.
Many times we combine this with supplemental work that is focused on adding volume. For example taking my aesthetic template and change the main lifts to RPT and you would be very close to what greyskull uses on a many intermediate guys. We rotate lifts as progress stalls which usually takes a while.
During hypertrophy phases where hypertrophy is 100% the focus we do the main lifts, then we focus a shite ton on the total work method on lifts like chins, dips, zpress etc and we push the volume up. Similar to how 531 building the monolith does. Also use methods like emom and amrap in a time frame on those exercises. Have to be eating and sleeping for hypertrophy
As one stalls or one want more hypertrophy based cycle we will start doing the supplemental/accessory lifts using rest pause fashion.
Then as you advance you move to the powerlifting intensity techniques starting with the forced reps technique, pre exhaust, lastly rest pause.
I'll try to write more about this. But in general you run the lp, then move to reverse pyramid training then you can move to 531/gczl/greyskull powerbuilding then you move to westside/DC training/fortitude training/ mountain dog training
Not that the latter don't work early on in your lifting career it's just that you need to build a base first to take advantage of those programs.
Posted on 5/18/19 at 11:41 am to lsu777
Thats a very detailed write up, cheers. Are there certain milestones to hit before moving up each 'level' of training program?
Posted on 5/18/19 at 2:27 pm to numptythrubbers
Yea on the lp, if you have done the reset twice, switched to two different varients, then back to the main lift, reset twice, back to two variants then come back to the main lift for a third time and stall at the same place as before, time to move to rpt.
For most that is 2-3 years of training. And you only move that one lift to rpt. Then you move to rest pause the same way.
With rpt you can continue to make progress because as you reduce the weight 10-15% on the second and third sets you can set rep records.
The whole key is getting stronger in the money rep ranges not in peak strength. It builds the base, peak strength follows.
For most that is 2-3 years of training. And you only move that one lift to rpt. Then you move to rest pause the same way.
With rpt you can continue to make progress because as you reduce the weight 10-15% on the second and third sets you can set rep records.
The whole key is getting stronger in the money rep ranges not in peak strength. It builds the base, peak strength follows.
Posted on 5/19/19 at 7:35 am to lsu777
So like, how does the basic GSLP compare to the beginner version of GZCL, the GZCLP? They're basically the same program, but the latter has more volume? How would this change results?
I know it's just a case of 'pick either and stick with it', its just interesting to compare.
I know it's just a case of 'pick either and stick with it', its just interesting to compare.
Posted on 6/14/19 at 11:19 pm to numptythrubbers
777,
Looking for a Greyskull program over the next 12 weeks that will help me:
1) get stronger on the big four lifts.
2) train for a half marathon.
What do you have? Thanks man.
Looking for a Greyskull program over the next 12 weeks that will help me:
1) get stronger on the big four lifts.
2) train for a half marathon.
What do you have? Thanks man.
Posted on 6/15/19 at 7:54 am to Tornado Alley
What is your training plan for the 1/2 Marathon? How much you want to priorize it vs lifting?
How does your training look like currently?
How does your training look like currently?
This post was edited on 6/15/19 at 7:57 am
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