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re: The Greyskull Methods- A Primer

Posted on 12/10/18 at 5:07 pm to
Posted by lsu777
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Posted on 12/10/18 at 5:07 pm to
For curls

Pick a weight you can do 12-15 times as that is the money range for curls. Keep setting rep records every week with the same weight until you can do both sets for 15 reps. When you can do that, add 2.5lbs. repeat.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 12/10/18 at 5:13 pm to
Thanks for your help. I’m excited to start. Been lifting for 15 years and have been on a plateau for awhile. It will be interesting to see if this will be a breakthrough.

Can you link your google drive with the book?

Does the book have rep ranges for the various plugins (like you said biceps respond best to 15 rep range)... what if I’m doing incline dumbbell. Sorry to be a pest, I just want to have all this figured out before I start
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
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Posted on 12/10/18 at 8:39 pm to
LINK

Easy way to find books is Google anonfile.com and name of book

quote:

Does the book have rep ranges for the various plugins (like you said biceps respond best to 15 rep range)... what if I’m doing incline dumbbell. Sorry to be a pest, I just want to have all this figured out before I start


Yes, don't remember what page though
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 12/10/18 at 8:59 pm to
That link told me my iPhone has a virus

I think I’ll just buy the book

ETA: never mind, found a working link you posted on page 5
This post was edited on 12/10/18 at 9:04 pm
Posted by lsu777
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Posted on 12/10/18 at 9:19 pm to
Yea that was a pop up lol. All anonfile files that I have linked are virus free, as are almost all the files there.
Posted by DarkSk0ll
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 12/11/18 at 5:41 am to
First page of this thread, Post #7 in the end (3rd ed. book p. 59) Rep ranges for plugins suggestions. In JPs articles and other books are also some more examples.

quote:

Rep Ranges- 
• Curl Variants-2 sets of 10-15 reps 
• Neck ext-4 sets of 25+ reps 
• Row Variants-2 sets of 6-8 reps 
• Chin/Pull up Variants-2 sets of 6-8 if weighted 
• Olympic Lifts-5-6 singles per session 
• Direct Ab Work-2 sets of 10-12 reps 
• Direct Calf work-1-2 sets of 15-20 slow painful reps as described in dc training 
• Forearm Exercises-2 sets of 12-20 reps 
• Pull Overs-2 sets pf 8-10 reps 
• Dips-2 sets of 6-8 if weighted 
• Cable Arm Movements-2 sets of 10-15 reps 


In 3rd Ed book p. 203-204 JP talks on how to progress with Rep range training in the Chinup chapter.

You should also read his explanation starting on p. 58 of not treating The plugins as assistance and doing volume for the sake of volume.
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 12/11/18 at 7:06 am to
Am I supposed to “squeeze,” “flex,” or “contract” for each lift?

I do:
Bench
Squat
Shoulder press
Deadlift
Barbell curls
Narrow grip lat pull downs
Chins
This post was edited on 12/11/18 at 7:07 am
Posted by Lazy But Talented
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 12/11/18 at 11:55 am to
Who’s got the best spreadsheet to track progress?

Someone share it.

Lazybuttalentedtd@gmail.com
This post was edited on 12/11/18 at 11:56 am
Posted by burgeman
Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 12/11/18 at 3:25 pm to
There's a good app called personal training coach, it has the base and phraks greyskull programs. You can add and customize whatever you want from there.
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
28517 posts
Posted on 12/14/18 at 6:08 am to
Two weeks in, I’m making good strength gains all around. I deloaded on bench to work on my form and I’m still struggling with chin-ups though.

Also. I’ve been surprisingly loving squats and the push-up frequency homework. I imagine they will get much harder soon though.
This post was edited on 12/14/18 at 6:09 am
Posted by DarkSk0ll
Member since Dec 2018
59 posts
Posted on 12/14/18 at 6:29 am to
quote:

Am I supposed to “squeeze,” “flex,” or “contract” for each lift? 

I do: 
Bench 
Squat 
Shoulder press 
Deadlift 
Barbell curls 
Narrow grip lat pull downs 
Chins



Don't overthink it, just finish the reps with full range of motion.

That said you usually have to squeeze the postural muscles: core, upper back (chest out) and glutes with pretty much each lift and on the bench keep shoulders pulled back.

With curls try to keep the tension throughout the set and contract at the top (controlled reps).

Check the GSLP ebook for short instructions if you need.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 12/15/18 at 11:41 am to
I read the book. It’s very helpful, but it still does not address the question of weight for the plug-ins

If the recommended range is 8-12 reps, do you want to pick a weight so that you fail in that range?

For example, I could stop at 12 reps of 15 lb dumbbell curls wth very little effort, or I could use 40lb dumbbells and fail at 10 reps

In addition, how do your progress weekly adding weight and what do you do if you fail to reach that rep range with a higher weight?

It’s a pretty simple but important question that no one has answered yet. Sorry if I seem frustrated, I appreciate your help, I just can’t think of another way to explain the question.
Posted by gp_101
Member since Apr 2018
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Posted on 12/15/18 at 12:33 pm to
You are meant to train those exercises hard. So, you are meant to approach/reach failure within the prescribed rep range.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 12/15/18 at 12:50 pm to
quote:

I read the book. It’s very helpful, but it still does not address the question of weight for the plug-ins

If the recommended range is 8-12 reps, do you want to pick a weight so that you fail in that range?

For example, I could stop at 12 reps of 15 lb dumbbell curls wth very little effort, or I could use 40lb dumbbells and fail at 10 reps

In addition, how do your progress weekly adding weight and what do you do if you fail to reach that rep range with a higher weight?

It’s a pretty simple but important question that no one has answered yet. Sorry if I seem frustrated, I appreciate your help, I just can’t think of another way to explain the question.



I have answered it before. It's pretty simple, start with a weight you think you would fail in the rep range or a little over. go to failure on both sets.


If you finish both sets outside the required rep range add 2.5lbs unless you were over the rep range by more than 5 reps, add 5lbs in that case.

For progression example, let's take curls

Let's say your first session you get 11 & 9 reps.

Push the next session to get to 12 first set. If you get that, add 2.5 the next.

For now, add reps on both sets until the first set reached the top of the rep range, when you get to the top of the rep range just add 2.5lbs.


So it might look like this
1- reps-10,9 weight-100
2- reps-12,9 weight-100
3- reps-10,9 weight-102.5
4- reps-11,10 weight-102.5
5- reps-12,10 weight-102.5
6- reps-11,10 weight-105
7- reps-11,11 weight-105
8- reps-12,11 weight-107.5 so on and so fourth


Later when you are more advanced you will slow the progression in weights until both sets are at the top but don't worry about that for 6 months or so.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 12/15/18 at 6:45 pm to
That explains a lot more. Thank you
Posted by OleWarSkuleAlum
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 8:24 am to
Back in the states and back at it BAWS! Week 17 starts now...
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
37973 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 9:03 am to
awesome. Get it. I have been hitting the shite out of pushups and chins at night. Plan to post a 60 day Pushup/pullup/lunge and conditioning challenge to start Monday the 7th for everyone. I'll post two programs, one for those just starting and another for those who have been doing it a while.
Posted by boxcarbarney
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 9:42 am to
quote:

have been hitting the shite out of pushups and chins at night. Plan to post a 60 day Pushup/pullup/lunge and conditioning challenge to start Monday the 7th for everyone. I'll post two programs, one for those just starting and another for those who have been doing it a while.


Awesome. I can't wait to see what you come up with.
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
28517 posts
Posted on 12/21/18 at 4:55 pm to
I am gonna add weighted calf raises on the middle-day lift. Any idea as to sets and frequency? Maybe 2x10?

Right now, all I’ve added to the base routine is:
Barbell Curls on A/bench day
Chin-ups on B/press day
Lat pulldowns on B/press day

When I finish this first 12 weeks, I am gonna add some additional chest work, maybe incline bench.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
37973 posts
Posted on 12/21/18 at 9:05 pm to
Yea DC style. Search the thread for DC style or Google DC training calves
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