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re: The Greyskull Methods- A Primer

Posted on 2/15/18 at 8:04 pm to
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
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Posted on 2/15/18 at 8:04 pm to
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How do we know whether we should cut or bulk? Is there a Greyskull ruling on this?


Why not both? read this

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What is the Greyskull way to cut? Whats the Greyskull way to bulk?

How should programming change for each? Is lifting still prioritised over cardio during cutting?

Cutting and bulking is more diet based than anything. For cutting we ramp up the conditioning from the normal twice weekly to 3 a week. We ramp up jump rope sessions to 3 times weekly.

But first we start doing 39 min fasted walks 6 days a week. Add 10 min per week until you are getting 360 a week. And we start pursuing villain challenge #1.

After those stop working we add the conditioning and the jump rope sessions I talked about above.

For diet for recomp, we start at the following

Calories-12xbw
Protein-50-60%
Carbs- no more than 100g a day either first two meals or around workout.
Fat- makes up the rest.

As we stall we layer in more conditioning. We can also remove carbs from rest days and also eventually lower calories to a minimum of 9xbw over times.

Read the lp book, ripped to shreds and lci book for more info on this.


For bulking we cut conditioning to a max of twice weekly max ten min hard sessions. We continue to keep fasted walks to keep fat at Bay and to stimulate the appetite. For diet read the book swole but essentially we start at 1.5x be on protein and work it up to 2xbw. We eat carbs after the workout and in the morning. We add olive oil to our shakes if extra calories are needed once progress stalls.

In other words eat meat like a damn man including tons of damn steak.

For lifting we continue to run the lp and we push the shite out of our selfs. If we need to bring up certain body parts we train smart to do so. See the bringing up the back and bringing up the arms articles.

Eventually after exhausting ever bit of the low including eventually going down to one money set we eventually move to a dependent reverse pyramid training scheme setting even more rep records along the way. After we stall on that or if we need to bring up certain areas still, we start using some of the principles like pre exhaust that he talks about in the powerbuilding book. Eventually we move to a rest pause scheme.

Overall though we make sure we keep a log book, give the weights, bodyweight exercises and the conditioning hell by beating the log book and then we manipulate variables to achieve the goals we are striving for.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 2/15/18 at 8:11 pm to
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questions though, still struggling to get unassisted chins so weighted chins are out, do I just drop those or sub in another movement?


Sub in the racked chins I posted about earlier.

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For the rows, do you recommend chest supported db rows or inverted fat man rows aka body weight rows?

Either or both switching every other time. Key is track it like any other lift and add weight or reps Everytime.

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I would probably drop the dips too for same reasons.

Do weighted close grip pushups, close grip bench or reverse grip bench instead then.

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For the belt squats, am I doing 2x51x5+ format or higher rep range


You can use a higher rep ranges if you would like since it's legs they tend to respond to higher reps. So either 2x5;1x5+ or 2 by 5-12 but pick same reps for each then 1x failure with same weight. Or do a Widowmaker 20 rep set on last set. Play around with it and see what you like. Key is setting rep records and kicking the log books arse every time.

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For negatives on the chins, do I program those homework style or do I do them in workouts?


Homework. Once you can do one true chjn, do 10 a day. When you can do sets of 2 easily, do 20 etc etc.
Posted by Bailey25
Member since Nov 2017
82 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 8:26 pm to
Got it! So for hip belt squats maybe do 1x10, 1x10+ so any rep range between 5-12 and same format as 2x5, 1x5+ but only two sets?
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 2/15/18 at 8:32 pm to
Yep
Posted by Bailey25
Member since Nov 2017
82 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:15 pm to
I appreciate the input man, I’ve consulted with John a couple of times and I know you are very well versed in his methods . I was doing well but my Dad passed in December, on the positive note, I just landed the “ regular” position for being a mailman but getting used to a lot of changes so I more or less fell off the wagon. This looks good though and I will report back in a few months. Thank you
Posted by numptythrubbers
Member since Feb 2018
246 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 3:25 am to
I read the link, and I take it to mean we can cut fat AND build strength/muscle at the same time. We use our fat stores for energy insted of calories from foods.

So in summary, for cutting fat you recommend:

- start at 12x bw for daily calories, adjust as needed
- fasted walks
- get after VC1
- with each 'stall' of fat loss add a conditioning session each week, and reduce cals

If I only have time to train 2-3x a week though, how would you adjust this?

I'm guessing full body lifting + diet is still most beneficial? Then layer in burpees and conditioning if able to?

As opposed to say, 1 lift plus conditioning each session?

LCI days 2-3x a week vs standard GSLP 2-3x a week?

Thanks man
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
30949 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 8:15 am to
Standard gslp, twice or 3x per week is fine. Hit the VC1 hard, add fasted walks, hit the FM work hard.

So homework would be
Pushups
Chins
Sit-ups
Burpees

Use total work method as explained on first page. Push the bodyweight stuff as hard you would the lifts.

Everything you posted is correct except on stalls you don't add both conditioning and reduce calories, do one or the other rotating. So first stall add a conditioning session, next stall reduce calories so on and so forth.

Lci would be saved for a more advanced trainee.

As far as the conditioning sessions go later it in. Start the burpees like the I said in the link I posted above. Advance through the program doing each level twice a day. As you stall add a third session. With the jump rope, start with one 5 min session and add a few min every week or add another session.

Eventually after 12 weeks you will have out in some damn work and you will have a much better body to show off for that work.

As far as gaining muscle at the same time, you can't tell me the person who adds 20lbs to their overhead press working weight over 12-15 weeks while cutting didn't add muscle along the way.
Posted by numptythrubbers
Member since Feb 2018
246 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 9:07 am to
If I were only to do the 'daily bodyweight work' on the same days as lifting, how could that work? Would I double up the volume of chins, burpees, etc on thise workout days?

Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
30949 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 9:45 am to
If you aren't doing the weighted versions, just count those twords the total reps for the day.

Don't over think it.
Posted by numptythrubbers
Member since Feb 2018
246 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:26 am to
Is it better to bulk to a certain 'strength level' before cutting?

Like should we just get strong before getting 'cut'? And what would that strength level be?
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
30949 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:38 am to
So what are your measurements? Or post a picture and I could tell you one way or the other.
Posted by numptythrubbers
Member since Feb 2018
246 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:44 am to
BW - 88kg ish
BF - 20-25% ish
Bench - 5x80kg
Squat - 5x125kg

Just unsure on how to progress from here. Have been using greyskull so far.

I should add that my ideal physique would be like Lascek from 70s big. So I'm guessing bulk?
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 10:51 am
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
30949 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:39 pm to
quote:

I should add that my ideal physique would be like Lascek from 70s big. So I'm guessing bulk?


then keep bulking. Use the LB template and hit the conditioning hard to keep fat at bay.

For diet read swole and start there, adding protein when you stall.
Posted by numptythrubbers
Member since Feb 2018
246 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:53 pm to
Awesome.

If I'm short on time or recovery what should be the first things to drop?

Thanks for all your help, much appreciated. Will check back in with my results in a few months time
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
30949 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:59 pm to
Bulk. Just keep conditioning to two 10-12 min sessions a week. Once after day 3 workout and once on day 6.continue to push the weights and concentrate on the bodyweight stuff.

You have to do the morning walks though. Will keep fat at Bay and stimulate appetite.

Follow guidelines in swole and adjust as needed be even putting protein upto 2xbw. But start at the guidelines in swole.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
30949 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 2:00 pm to
Drop to twice a week if you are short on time. If it's recovery, add protein and sleep.
Posted by numptythrubbers
Member since Feb 2018
246 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 2:43 pm to
So if short on time, it would be better to drop a lifting session instead of the conditioning sessions? So I'd lift 2x a week and condition 2x a week?
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
30949 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 2:50 pm to
Conditioning should only take 10-12 min. And no don't drop a lifting session for a conditioning session. Do burpees at home instead of the conditioning session.
Posted by Bailey25
Member since Nov 2017
82 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 9:16 pm to
So I went over what you wrote up for me and looked over the proactive rotating lifts section on GSLP 3 and just to make sure I understand it right this template is the rotating lift in the standard GSLP ABA format correct? Not the A/B format..

I fine tuned to my needs and based on what you set up for me this is what I think I will run. Does this look solid to you?

Week 1

1A
Press 2x5, 1x5+
Hip belt squat 2x8. 1x8+
Rack chins (test my strength, determine sets/reps)
Close grip push up 2x6-8, work up till I can do weighted

2A
Bench press 2x5, 1x5+
Partial trap bar deadlift 1x5+
Chest supported row 2x6-8
Ez curl barbell curl 2x6-8 ( optional/ might drop these )

1B
Seated db press or seated barbell press 2x5, 1x5+
Squats 1x5, 1x5+
Rack chins
Close grip bench press 2x6-8

Week 2

1A
Low incline bench press 2x5, 1x5+
Belt squat 2x8, 1x8+
Chest supported row 2x6-8
Curls (optional/might drop)

2B
Press 2x5, 1x5+
Partial trap bar deadlift 1x5+
Rack chins
Close grip push up2x6-8

1B
Bench press 2x5, 1x5+
Squat 1x5, 1x5+
Chest supported row 2x6-8
Curl (might drop/optional)


I’ll do nightly negatives for chin ups 5 days/week. How many should I do, very weak in these?

Thanks
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
30949 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:05 pm to
Looks good but I would switch regular or deficit deadlifts in every other or at least every third week. Also don't be scared to rotate the row variations.

Fir the chin negatives, start with 5/night slow as you can go.

Also don't be scared to throw in two sets of side lateral raises at the end of workouts.
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