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re: Supplements for beginners/casual lifters
Posted on 9/24/19 at 11:03 am to 225Tyga
Posted on 9/24/19 at 11:03 am to 225Tyga
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Creatine: Stay away from Mono (you probably wont want the water retention)
You mean the most studied supplement in history? The one that has been proven over and over to work as well or better than any off shoot? Dumbest take in this thread.
OP, 5g daily, timing doesn't matter. Take mono, cheap, simple and effective. Water retention is on a case by case basis.
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C4: Most pre-workouts are really the same makeup. Vary the flavors and some of the "Ripped" or "Shred" type preworkouts
"Ripped" & "shredded"
Jesus.. fatloss comes from being In a caloric deficit. Being ripped or shredded comes from being a low bodyfat while maintaining muscle. We maintain muscle by feeding it enough protein and lifting in a progressive overload fashion. quote:
Protein: Most are the same but i would go with a whey iso 100 dymatize
No, no they aren't. Pretty much everything you said in this thread is dumb as shite.
OP, you want to look for quality whey isolate, egg protein, Pepto pro or casein. I would suggest plain ole whey isolate. You want a powder that is essentially pure protein so less than 3g carbs and less than 3g fat.
I suggest truenutrition but there are others. Looking for 90% protein minimum.
You don't need anything at all but creatine and protein would be the first two items to add. Protein is more of a food not supplement. Get your diet right overall and you will get great results.
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Posted on 9/24/19 at 11:05 am to Rep520
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IMO, BCAA's are unnecessary unless you're doing fasted cardio or getting otherwise insufficient protein.
If you're getting regular protein intake and not working out fasted, whole proteins will cover your BCAA needs.
It's not just your opinion, it's a fact that BCAA are essentially worthless. EAA are what we hoped BCAAs would be.
Bcaa a must.....
Posted on 9/24/19 at 11:12 am to lsu777
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You don't need anything at all but creatine and protein would be the first two items to add. Protein is more of a food not supplement. Get your diet right overall and you will get great results.
Thanks, I was looking at protein less from the diet/macro side and more from the what to look for on the label side. So many products out there.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 11:20 am to lsu777
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EAA are what we hoped BCAAs would be.
I don't know much about EAA. How do they avoid the pitfalls of BCAA's?
Posted on 9/24/19 at 11:22 am to TheDrunkenTigah
Stick to big brands that have tested well. Look for 90%+ purity with very little fat and carbs. Look for whey isolate, egg white protein, beef isolate, casein caseinate, or hydrolyzed casein.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 11:24 am to Rep520
Posted on 9/24/19 at 1:27 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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Honest question, why do I care one way or the other about water retention?
It can be a deterrent for some new/beginner lifters who judge their success by what the scale says. Also some people will notice a puffiness in their face that may cause discomfort.
Its really not a big deal at all and the water retention can actually benefit the muscles. Its just something you need to be aware of up front.
Always check the supplement label to see if the creatine in certain supplements is mono or hcl. If its mono, just be aware that you could retain some water weight.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 1:32 pm to lsu777
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Water retention is on a case by case basis.
Thank you for proving my point that he needs to be aware that water retention could happen.
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fatloss comes from being In a caloric deficit.
Correct.
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"Ripped" & "shredded"
Are different pre-workout makeups that contain some stimulants that help with weight loss.
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I would suggest plain ole whey isolate
Which is what i said. Thank you.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 1:43 pm to 225Tyga
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Thank you for proving my point that he needs to be aware that water retention could happen.
You originally told OP he won't want the water retention with Creatine Monohydrate.
Water retention isn't a general part of Creatine Monohydrate. If we're debating potential sides, complicating kidney disease in people with kidney disease is more concerning. There are a ton of potential issues. Telling him he shouldn't start due to a minor potential side effect...
Posted on 9/24/19 at 1:52 pm to Rep520
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You originally told OP he won't want the water retention with Creatine Monohydrate.
Correct. He needs to be aware that IF HE DOESNT LIKE WATER RETENTION HE NEEDS TO BE AWARE THAT CREATINE MONO WILL MOST LIKELY CAUSE THAT.
MY GOD what is it with you people? Get off the high horses.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 2:03 pm to 225Tyga
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WATER RETENTION HE NEEDS TO BE AWARE THAT CREATINE MONO WILL MOST LIKELY CAUSE THAT.
What it is with me is that your statement has been researched and is not correct. Here's a study refuting the water retention argument again.
LINK
If you believe this study is wrong, I'm open to you posting studies showing otherwise.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 2:09 pm to Rep520
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Rep520
Dude you can save your time and stop posting links, im not clicking and reading any of them. Ive done my own research and have personally taken creatine mono and creatine HCL.
Mono = Water retention which i disliked
HCL = No water retention and same benefits, which i prefer
OP go be your own judge just be aware that mono will most likely lead to water retention which if you dont mind it, its not a big deal and there are no negative side effects from the water retention.
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June 2019: Also known as fluid retention, creatine monohydrate can cause rapid water weight because the supplement draws water into your muscles' cells. ... In the first week of taking oral creatine, some people gain about 2 to 4.5 pounds, mainly due to water retention.
/end of discussion
This post was edited on 9/24/19 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 9/24/19 at 2:15 pm to 225Tyga
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Dude you can save your time and stop posting links, im not clicking and reading any of them.
Ok, if you're not interested in science, that's cool.
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June 2019: Also known as fluid retention, creatine monohydrate can cause rapid water weight because the supplement draws water into your muscles' cells
That link correctly says it. Creatine draws water into your muscles, thus increasing the size of your muscles.
I'm not 100% why OP would not want larger muscles. As I've said, that's how creatine works, by volumizing muscle cells.
It does not cause you to retain excess water. I know you don't want to read my link, but a study found creatine did not change the total amount of water stored in the body (i.e., fluid retention), just increased the volume in cells (i.e., larger muscles).
Posted on 9/24/19 at 2:18 pm to Rep520
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That link correctly says it. Creatine draws water into your muscles
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thus increasing the size of your muscles
inflating your muscles with WATER.
I dont understand what you are trying to argue? Youre agreeing with me you idiot.
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It does not cause you to retain excess water
youre going in circles. Go back and re-read everything because you dont even know what youre trying to argue.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 2:24 pm to 225Tyga
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inflating your muscles with WATER.
I dont understand what you are trying to argue? Youre agreeing with me you idiot.
I'm intentionally trying to be civil with you here.
The study I posted showed no change in the total water in the body. The movement of water into muscles isn't retention, it's redistribution.
Retention is keeping excess water in, which is generally not a function a creatine. Redistribution is a function of creatine, moving water from extracellular space into the cells. That is the cellular volumizing effect of creatine.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 2:38 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
Caffeine. Coffee, pills, pre-workout.. whatever.
Maybe creatine but I'm a non-responder.
Protein shakes are fine if you need to maintain or gain weight I guess. But honestly food is better. If you need to lose weight.. dont drink your calories.. I use a quality plant based protein mix because I cant digest most cows protein. .6 - 1.0 gram per lb. Of lean bodyweight is fine.. no need to go overboard.
Everything else is meh..
Maybe creatine but I'm a non-responder.
Protein shakes are fine if you need to maintain or gain weight I guess. But honestly food is better. If you need to lose weight.. dont drink your calories.. I use a quality plant based protein mix because I cant digest most cows protein. .6 - 1.0 gram per lb. Of lean bodyweight is fine.. no need to go overboard.
Everything else is meh..
This post was edited on 9/24/19 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 9/24/19 at 2:42 pm to lsu777
quote:I'll give you one concrete benefit from these...there's been many a day that taking it was the difference between me driving straight home and doing nothing vs. turning left at the underpass and going to the gym.
C4: Most pre-workouts are really the same makeup. Vary the flavors and some of the "Ripped" or "Shred" type preworkouts
"Ripped" & "shredded" Jesus..
Posted on 9/24/19 at 2:57 pm to AlxTgr
Agreed, once you drink it there's no use in just sitting there fidgeting like a crackhead. Has definitely kept me on schedule more than once where I might have just made excuses.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 3:12 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
Hey, sorry to muck up your thread with a creatine argument.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 4:04 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
quote:This made me laugh.
Agreed, once you drink it there's no use in just sitting there fidgeting like a crackhead.
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