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Squatting advice for chicken legs: Update

Posted on 3/4/19 at 8:32 pm
Posted by Dellybelly82
Canton, oh
Member since Mar 2019
543 posts
Posted on 3/4/19 at 8:32 pm
I just started to squat last week and need to know if 4 sets of squats a week is good enough to see nice results.

History: I've worked out on and off for years and have neglected legs. I'm sick of it and have made a commitment to stick with a leg routine.
This post was edited on 6/11/19 at 7:31 pm
Posted by Adam4848
LA
Member since Apr 2006
18956 posts
Posted on 3/4/19 at 8:34 pm to
4-6 heavy sets is more than enough.

I’ve found working legs twice a week works great. Split it up by 3-4 days and you’re solid.
Posted by Dixie Normus
Earth
Member since Sep 2013
2635 posts
Posted on 3/4/19 at 8:36 pm to
Squats, squats, and more squats.

For real though, I like to do 2 squat sessions a week. One with lighter weight for form and a variation (i.e. pause-reps or pulse reps) and then one balls-to-the-wall heavy day. That split has pushed my squat numbers way up. Also, don't underestimate deadlifts for building size in your lower body. It's not just for back if you're doing it right.
Posted by Dellybelly82
Canton, oh
Member since Mar 2019
543 posts
Posted on 3/4/19 at 8:42 pm to
My plan is to hit them after the soreness is gone. My first squat workout was 6 days ago. 3 sets of squats and I was sore for 5 days. Today I did 4 sets and I was nauseated sick.

Highest weight I got up to was 155 for 8 but good form and knees parallel to floor.
Posted by Adam4848
LA
Member since Apr 2006
18956 posts
Posted on 3/4/19 at 8:48 pm to
You’re past the worst part which is doing it a second time. The more you do it your body will come accustomed to it and it won’t feel like you can’t walk down stairs without grunting.

Make sure you’re getting in enough protein.
Posted by Rep520
Member since Mar 2018
10413 posts
Posted on 3/4/19 at 9:03 pm to
quote:

4-6 heavy sets is more than enough. 


I'll differ a little. If you're a beginner, heavy sets really don't exist.

You just aren't strong enough to really be heavy. The upside is you can recover fast and make progress quickly.

I like Candito Linear a lot and it has you squatting 9x a week plus 6 sets of quad accessories and 5 sets of deads and 6 posterior chain accessories. I'd double the 4-6 recommendation for a true beginner.
Posted by Adam4848
LA
Member since Apr 2006
18956 posts
Posted on 3/4/19 at 9:22 pm to
Yea you’re not wrong. As long as he’s not doing light weight for 15-20 reps.
Posted by Dellybelly82
Canton, oh
Member since Mar 2019
543 posts
Posted on 3/4/19 at 9:32 pm to
How many reps per set for mass building? I'm starting from scratch. I have very little muscle on my legs.
Posted by Rep520
Member since Mar 2018
10413 posts
Posted on 3/4/19 at 9:36 pm to
I'd focus in the 5 rep range. It is low enough to effectively build strength and will build muscle for a beginner.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125401 posts
Posted on 3/4/19 at 9:38 pm to
Your calves won’t grow

I have chicken legs and once you start getting stronger your legs will look disproportionate

I deadlift 5 plates on each side and one rep max back squat about 345 and 265 front squat

Legs still look like I never work them out
Posted by Dixie Normus
Earth
Member since Sep 2013
2635 posts
Posted on 3/4/19 at 9:42 pm to
More weight = more strength = more mass. Generally, you're going to do lower reps to get more weight so I'd float in the 3-5 range. However, legs will gain strength on higher rep sets moreso than other body parts so consider this more of a guideline than a rule.
Posted by lurkr
Member since Jan 2008
12365 posts
Posted on 3/4/19 at 9:43 pm to
Squats, leg press, calf raises. 5 sets of 10 reps each twice a week should be good. It will take 4 to 6 months to see big results. Calf raises should require more reps.
Posted by Dellybelly82
Canton, oh
Member since Mar 2019
543 posts
Posted on 3/4/19 at 9:49 pm to
It seems like to me sets of 3 or 5 times 5 sets . That's only 15 to 25 reps per workout. My thinking is it want be near enough reps for results. I'll stay between 6 to 10 and adjust when necessary.
Posted by FootballNostradamus
Member since Nov 2009
20509 posts
Posted on 3/4/19 at 10:51 pm to
Couple ancillary things:

1. Make sure you're stretching a ton and working on mobility on your off-days. Neglecting this is where a lot of new squatters will get themselves in trouble.

2. Make sure you're upping your caloric and protein intake. Squatting, outside of explosive Olympic lifting, is arguably the most taxing lift you can do. It wrecks your entire system, and you got to make sure you're fueling it properly.
Posted by Dellybelly82
Canton, oh
Member since Mar 2019
543 posts
Posted on 3/4/19 at 10:58 pm to
quote:

1. Make sure you're stretching a ton and working on mobility on your off-days. Neglecting this is where a lot of new squatters will get themselves in trouble.

Explain, What kind of problems? Muscle tears?
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31041 posts
Posted on 3/4/19 at 11:09 pm to
Just do 3x5 sets twice weekly with progressive overload, adding 5 love per session. Last set of each day so amrap.

Hit calves every training session.

You don't much volume right now in legs and b at this point your maximum recoverable volume is still extremely low.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278321 posts
Posted on 3/4/19 at 11:46 pm to
quote:

If you're a beginner, heavy sets really don't exist.

You just aren't strong enough to really be heavy


Heavy is relative. It exists for everyone
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22163 posts
Posted on 3/5/19 at 2:11 am to
man, you just gotta argue with everyone don't you?
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31041 posts
Posted on 3/5/19 at 4:47 am to
quote:



Heavy is relative. It exists for everyone


Relative and absolute intensity are two different things. Shaking of absolute Intensity, beginners do not do really heavy sets.

Both matter as much as the other in the grand scheme of programming. Many times a high relative intensity can be used on an exercise that naturally promotes an overall lower absolute Intensity as part of a cns recovery phase.

TLDR: both of you are correct in what you said.
Posted by Rep520
Member since Mar 2018
10413 posts
Posted on 3/5/19 at 8:23 am to
quote:

Heavy is relative. It exists for everyone


Maybe the feeling of heavy, but not heaviness as it impacts the amount of volume and intensity you can recover from.

A beginner can do a ton of sets of 5 with 95 pounds on the squat. Even if that feels heavy to them, it's going to take much more to actually have that heaviness impact their ability to recover.

Your body has a general recovery capacity that outstrips your strength for a beginner. What feels heavy isn't something that's going to meaningfully change your programming until you pass that point and your strength can handle loads you can't recover from.
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